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re: Dexter Blackmon commits..

Posted on 7/24/09 at 10:56 pm to
Posted by offdacorner
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 10:56 pm to
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His nickname was Hardware Hank. Anyone know this guy?


Henry Thomas maybe?
Posted by jimmyd
jacksonville , fl.
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 10:56 pm to
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An play this guy did. His nickname was Hardware Hank. Anyone know this guy?


Kyle Williams?

Hank? Kyle? I don't know
This post was edited on 7/24/09 at 10:58 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:00 pm to
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Henry Thomas maybe?

correct
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:06 pm to
Henry Thomas. Beast in college and the NFL.

Welcome Mr. Blackmon!
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:10 pm to
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You might want to take a look at most schools in the nation. This is a normal amount of attrition. Sad but true.

our attrition rate is either on par with everyone else's or lower. The reason I listed these people is because someone said Les has never made a mistake in recruiting. It was merely to show that no coach is infallible. (except for maybe Mainieri)
Posted by keakdasneak
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/24/09 at 11:41 pm to
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Dixon was a 4* (#23) WR according to rivals. If that is "wrong", then Les, Rivals, Scout and others that offered missed this one as well. We just got better talent or some that better fit what Crowton wanted to do.


Coaches shouldn't be recruiting based on stars awarded by recruiting services. They should and do recruit based on their own evaluations. Dixon was never going to see the field based on his talent level not being up to par. So yes they got it "wrong".
Posted by True Bengal
Texas
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 12:00 am to
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Coaches shouldn't be recruiting based on stars awarded by recruiting services. They should and do recruit based on their own evaluations. Dixon was never going to see the field based on his talent level not being up to par. So yes they got it "wrong".

I never said that they recruited Dixon because of "stars". I was just pointing out that if Leslie and the staff evaluated Dixon and thought highly of him as did the scouting services that have much more access than message board posters and googlers (yet, they still miss). So if you knew that LSU would get better WRs than Dixon, then you're a special guy that should probably have his own recruiting service.

Also, Oklahoma (Stoops), Ole Miss (Orgeron), Miami (FL), and Kansas State thought high enough of him to offer as well. These guys who recruit pretty well every year were "wrong" too.

You bring in the best talent to "compete" for a spot on the field. Not just for the first year, but all four years. There will be casualties, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't a good "get". There were just "better" guys that came along or stepped up.

LSU's backups can start at many D-1 schools. That's a "wrong" I can live with and that many schools wish they could experience.

**We've brought in a few unranked guys that have become high-ranked prospects (Gibson & Mathieu). USC and Florida have both brought in unranked or non-high profile players as well. Not the norm for top-tier programs, but their success on the field says something about their percentage of success in evaluating and developing talent.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 12:13 am
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 12:38 am to
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His nickname was Hardware Hank. Anyone know this guy?




Henry Thomas maybe?


Thats right, the LSU coach. Jerry Stovall.

LINK

Good read, enjoy Tiger Fans...
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:50 am to
I really don't have a problem with the coaches seeing a kid at their camp, being impressed and offering the kid. I don't really think the staff needs to recruit off of the "star system", I'd rather they chose someone based on what they see with their own eyes.


flame away rivals/scouts/espn are Jesus believers
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:12 am to
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The reason I listed these people is because someone said Les has never made a mistake in recruiting.


Bill Walsh once said that recruiting in college pretty much follows the Bell curve. You can recruit 10 blue-chip guys...2 will meet or exceed expectations, 3 will be solid contributors, 3 will contribute some if you ride them hard, and 2 won't make it.

I don't really consider any individual recruit a 'mistake', especially if the position is well-stocked. It's pretty typical that half of every class isn't going to play much (see above). The one caveat to making a mistake on an individual would be a character mistake.

The staff can make strategic mistakes, however, like Saban's o-line recruiting his last few years here. Or Jimbo's flirtation with Tebow that may have cost us Alex Cate.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 10:09 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:02 am to
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The staff can make strategic mistakes, however, ike Saban's o-line recruiting his last few years here. Or Jimbo's flirtation with Tebow that may have cost us Alex Cate.

well this is the other aspect of this situation that puzzles me. i think this will be called a "rocky duplesis" situation

if AU and Bama saw this kid and passed right now, and if they offer at any time after now he'll switch to them, then i don't see why we offer RIGHT NOW.

also if the coaches didn't really know who he was before camp, and they offered him based on pure physical talent, then there may be other issues down the road. now i don't care as much about this as others, but STRONG CHARACTER is always brought up on here
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:04 am to
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if AU and Bama saw this kid and passed right now, and if they offer at any time after now he'll switch to them, then i don't see why we offer RIGHT NOW.


Why would this happen though? Guys are often loyal to the program that "discovered" them (Rishaw Johnson) or at least offered them first (Sentimore).
Posted by LSUTiger in TN
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:30 am to
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No one's bagging on the kid. We just can't believe someone was offered in this day and age that no one has ever heard of before. I guess it's hard to know anything when he only played in 3 games his junior year though.

That being said, did he have a season ending injury or something?


I thought I read somewhere that he only played in 3 games his sophomore year and had limited playing time in his freshman year. The article also stated that he had nagging injuries all season that kept him from playing much his sophomore season.
This post was edited on 7/25/09 at 10:33 am
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:34 am to
From Penthouse to Outhouse. A few days ago with the verbal from Tyrann Mathieu, people were asking who he was, why did we offer, people needed more info, why did we sign a guy that was at the Tenn. camp and they didn't offer.
Then things started to come out, he shutdown WR's at Tenn. The best and biggest surprise there. Three of the coaches sent him handwritten notes. Everyone on the board was on cloud 9.

Blackmon commits, many of the same questions came up. I just don't think the staff went stupid. They will look at their board, move people up and down all the time. Staffs look also at whats coming in the next year. Kade Comeaux gave a verbal to LSU while a 10th. grader. Ask any coach, potential is the key word here. Every kid has it, its the staffs job to bring out the best in each kid. Not every staff see the same thing in every kid. Every staff looks at what can be, not what is.

In high school you're the best on the team, at LSU, you're a Teammate. Some can handle it, some can't.



Don't worry Tiger fans, college coaches make mistakes. Pro coaches do also. I've heard stories to back it up.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81394 posts
Posted on 7/25/09 at 11:16 am to
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And i think it was somewhat accepted Dixon got an offer because of RP.


we offered Dixon a year after so we could retro-actively land RP?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 4:39 pm to
So I was at gas station today and 2 guys in front of me where talking about this guy. One guy said he was high school defensive player of year for state of Alabama.

Confirm/Deny?
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 7/25/09 at 6:55 pm to
On first inspection, negative.

In checking the records, I saw some familiar names:

Courtney Upshaw

Tana Patrick (name all over the honors)

Sam Gibson

But no Dexter Blackmon.

I did find some interesting information about Selma HS. Selma is a 5A school with 682 students. The team does in fact suck...33-54 since 2000. They did manage to go 5-5 last year. The Auburn receiver, Obomanu, played there. He was the team's last all-state player in 2001.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 7/25/09 at 8:44 pm to
Yeah these two dudes were talking about it as they were getting their beer.

Guy 1: You heard about that new D-Lineman
Guy 2: No what about him?
Guy 1: Alabama defensive player of year last year
Guy 2: Really?
Guy 1: Yeah we got him out from Bama/Auburn
Guy 2: Saban Nation huh?
[both guys laugh]
Posted by CWGriswald
Thibodaux
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/25/09 at 9:21 pm to
A general statement about college scholarships, nothing earth shattering, but just to think about:

5 classes including RS Freshman = 25 x 5 = 125

80 scholarships per year allowed

22 starting positions not including ST

Everyone gets so worked up about this one recruit, but honestly, our recruiting is not hardly suffering.

Some of you are dying because Blackman may drop LSU's star rating.

Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 7/25/09 at 10:10 pm to
No, I'm getting worked up because D-line is one of the most critical aspects of being not just a good defensive team, but a good team period. And if we are handing a slot to someone like Blackmon, before he has played a game his senior year, then I am very concerned about our DT future prospects.

Someone said we don't really even need DTs in this class. One of the reasons LSU has been a really good defensive team over the past several years is because we have been loaded with very good DTs.
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