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Posted on 12/20/24 at 3:23 am to TigerMonkey7
A QB spy is one of the most overrated defensive techniques in college football. They hardly ever work but sound cool for sure. When you have a QB with exceptional speed like Milroe, Reed, or Sellars, aka as fast the player who is the spy, it simply doesn't work. The QB is always literally a step ahead when he begins to run since he knows where he is going. It is the same principle on WRer routes where the WRer is almost always ahead of the defender on pass patterns and the CB has to catch up. Plus, as I've claimed many times, Perkins is NOT a good tackler...he never has been. So you are counting on him to bring down a runner just as fast as he is in the open field...good luck with that.
What WILL work is to rush an extra player or two and clog the running lanes. Of course that can backfire if the QB is a good passer...however Reed, Milroe, and Sellars hardly qualify as such. What happens is all of a sudden the QB is slowed down dramatically because just like any fast RB he has no chance to get up to speed. You see that every week with LSU when one of the fastest RBs in college football Caden Durham can't get going without having a hole to run through. For the record, spies WILL work with average speed QBs like Jackson Arnold. Don't know if LSU switched to a spy in the 2nd half of the OU game but certainly Arnold was stopped pretty well in that game. IMO, House AND Baker both should have used that approach to stop the fast running QBsl
What WILL work is to rush an extra player or two and clog the running lanes. Of course that can backfire if the QB is a good passer...however Reed, Milroe, and Sellars hardly qualify as such. What happens is all of a sudden the QB is slowed down dramatically because just like any fast RB he has no chance to get up to speed. You see that every week with LSU when one of the fastest RBs in college football Caden Durham can't get going without having a hole to run through. For the record, spies WILL work with average speed QBs like Jackson Arnold. Don't know if LSU switched to a spy in the 2nd half of the OU game but certainly Arnold was stopped pretty well in that game. IMO, House AND Baker both should have used that approach to stop the fast running QBsl
Posted on 12/20/24 at 7:29 am to NotaStarGazer
The point of a spy is to mainly keep a running qb in the pocket.
If he starts moving out the pocket, that player is there to clean anything up. And I don't agree with you that the qb has an advantage. The defensive player should have the angles to take him down or run him out of bounds.
If he starts moving out the pocket, that player is there to clean anything up. And I don't agree with you that the qb has an advantage. The defensive player should have the angles to take him down or run him out of bounds.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 7:57 am to LSUBALLER
But if we have better players on the lines and edge and at safety, Perkins may be able to find his stride and be the player we know he can be. He has too much talent not to be a difference maker.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:00 am to NotaStarGazer
Ever hear of defenders using angles? Also, a spy doesn't have to make the tackle to affect the play.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:08 am to NotaStarGazer
And I thought I was dumb
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:24 am to Lester Earl
Freak off. You’re such a piece of crap. I have tried to be kool with you but it’s impossible. Do me a favor don’t comment on my post and I will do same. 

Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:28 am to texastigerr
Upvote. Agree . Nit saying he isn’t a good player. Saying we did seem to play better on D side of ball after his injury. All I meant.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:31 am to NotaStarGazer
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Uh, why wasn't Perkins the difference maker in the 2023 game vs Alabama then.
Blake Baker > Matt House
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:32 am to Chalkywhite84
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The point of a spy is to mainly keep a running qb in the pocket.
And if you keep Milroe in the pocket, he fricking sucks

Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:36 am to CatfishJohn
True he is better RB then QB. Glad he is gone though he was a LSU killer. 

Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:23 am to Chalkywhite84
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The point of a spy is to mainly keep a running qb in the pocket.
Once again, I said it would work with an average speed QB, but once a very speedy QB starts moving as you said, the spy is not going to be able to "clean anything up". And as far as "angles go", I have no idea what you are even referring to. Once the QB breaks the LOS, there is no angle. The QB can run left, can run right, can run straight. And in man to man defenses, no one is even aware of the QBs actions...that is why QBs run so well against man to man. Once again, the QB spy is the most overrated technique in football which is why it is rarely used....it doesn't work unless the QB isn't the fastest guy to begin with.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:27 am to KTiger85
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Ever hear of defenders using angles? Also, a spy doesn't have to make the tackle to affect the play.
Uh, if the team is playing man, he better make the tackle because the other defenders don't even know who has the ball...they are worried about their WRer coverage. There is "no angles". Geez, once the guy breaks the LOS, he can go any direction. That is exactly why you need to stop the QB from moving forward to begin with.
Bonus response to WillFerrillIsKing: Yes, you are indeed dumb! Thanks for admitting it.

Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:31 am to NotaStarGazer
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What WILL work is to rush an extra player or two and clog the running lanes.
This is non sense. What works against QBs that are running read option/power read/qb power and all the QB run game stuff is playing assignment football and the defensive line keeping the LB's clean. Savion Jones played great most of the season but go watch the second half of the A$M game. He's supposed to play the QB on the zone read but he tries to tackle the RB over and over allowing Reed to get going.
The long run Sellers hit us on in the SC game. SC ran power read. Swinson is supposed to squeeze the down block and force Sellers to give the ball. He doesn't and chases the back. Sellers is gone.
The facts are we lacked talent up front and at safety this year. This caused Baker to be extra aggressive especially with stunts up front. This can lead to big plays because sometimes those gambles make it come down to one guy making a play and if they don't it's a TD.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:53 am to redfishfan
First, there is something called a "run blitz". That is basically what I'm talking about...and yes, I used the correct term "run blitz", not "passing blitz". You put more bodies across the LOS than can be blocked and gear those extra guys to cut off running lanes and FORCING him to throw the ball. Obviously, like any blitz, you take a chance on getting burned on passes. But the QBs I referenced are hardly Davey O'Brien candidates...at best, they are mediocre passers.
LSU did NOT lack talent up front. THAT is nonsense! LSU's DL was the strength of the entire defense. I do agree the safeties were basically just worthless. But as I've stated multiple times, LSU plays a decent amount of man to man. When the QB breaks the LOS, the secondary doesn't even know it since they have their backs turned to the play. And one spy isn't going to cut it. As far as Baker stunting up front, that was not the problem. I don't remember anyone taking themselves out of the play by looping around or whatever. The reason the QBs got all those yards were they had natural running lanes that most QBs have many times. Nussmeier even has them but refuses to run. You overload the LOS and force the QB to beat you passing...simple as that. I haven't seen any poster claim those QBs would be able to do that.
LSU did NOT lack talent up front. THAT is nonsense! LSU's DL was the strength of the entire defense. I do agree the safeties were basically just worthless. But as I've stated multiple times, LSU plays a decent amount of man to man. When the QB breaks the LOS, the secondary doesn't even know it since they have their backs turned to the play. And one spy isn't going to cut it. As far as Baker stunting up front, that was not the problem. I don't remember anyone taking themselves out of the play by looping around or whatever. The reason the QBs got all those yards were they had natural running lanes that most QBs have many times. Nussmeier even has them but refuses to run. You overload the LOS and force the QB to beat you passing...simple as that. I haven't seen any poster claim those QBs would be able to do that.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:54 am to Lester Earl
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harold perkins is back
Hopefully not. He either sucks or the LSU coaching staff is clueless as to how to use him. We’ve been better at times on defense without him.
Also, I find it strange that you think Nuss is mediocre but Harold Perkins is a real quality player. I guess it’s not really surprising though.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:59 am to cbree88
I think last year we just tried to build everything around Perkins and offenses could just avoid him every play, thus that defense didn't work. Next year we should have a lot more talent around him and it should free him up.
Assuming he returns.
He does need to work on shedding blocks though if he stays at LB. I would love him to be more of a STAR though.
Assuming he returns.
He does need to work on shedding blocks though if he stays at LB. I would love him to be more of a STAR though.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:05 am to cbree88
To say Harold Perkins sucks would be quite the stretch. A more accurate statement would be that he looks like a 1st round draft pick seeing him run around the field and an undrafted free agent when you look at actual contribution. Seems like a lot of posters here contuse great/good athlete with being a great/good football player. I stick with my prediction. He is a 3rd day draft pick when he enters the NFL draft.
Your statement about LSU being better at times on defense without him is definitely true...in fact it is actually most times. Whit Weeks made 1st team All SEC and not because coaches liked his alliterative name. He made plays!! Perkins didn't make 1st team All SEC in 2023. 'nuff said.
Your statement about LSU being better at times on defense without him is definitely true...in fact it is actually most times. Whit Weeks made 1st team All SEC and not because coaches liked his alliterative name. He made plays!! Perkins didn't make 1st team All SEC in 2023. 'nuff said.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:06 am to cbree88
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Hopefully not. He either sucks or the LSU coaching staff is clueless as to how to use him. We’ve been better at times on defense without him.
Also, I find it strange that you think Nuss is mediocre but Harold Perkins is a real quality player. I guess it’s not really surprising though.
Getting more players that are talented and can play fundamentally sound defense, which is what we've done, allows you to get creative with Perkins.
He is a physically gifted player that doesn't have a true position due to size. I trust Baker to figure out what to do with him now that he has other positions filled with talent. We absolutely want him back.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:35 am to NotaStarGazer
quote:because defensive coaching. Making Perkins a spy on Milroe would have stopped all that bull he was doing. Did you people completely forget fans whining about why we didn't spy Milroe in 2023?
Uh, why wasn't Perkins the difference maker in the 2023 game vs Alabama then. He played in that game and Milroe had similar numbers rushing compared to the 2024 game where he didn't play. Perkins hasn't been a + difference maker since really the 2022 Arkansas game.
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