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At minimum what do we need to sign to compete on defense?
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:25 pm
I keep waiting, but seeing no traction on Defensive Backs and D line.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:26 pm to Safety Blitz
BK is just stringing along dead men walking on defense right now. It’s doesn’t really make sense anymore unless he’s keeping House
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:29 pm to Safety Blitz
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no traction on Defensive Backs
They’ve signed 14 dbs in the last two classes
Come out from under that rock my guy
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:36 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
Go back to the rant with all your negativity. All you do is shite on Kelly in every other post. We get it, you don't like him so just shut the frick up.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 12:43 pm to Safety Blitz
This ESD portion of this class is 90-95% done. Anyone who follows recruiting, which you evidently don’t, knows this. Other than a couple of Aggies who might flip (and one of them has pushed out to the late signing day) and a JUCO DL, there’s no one else.
Turn your attention to the portal, because you are wasting your time thinking anything significant is going to change between now and 12/20. Staff changes might help with the LSD, but are really about the 24 season and 25 class.
Turn your attention to the portal, because you are wasting your time thinking anything significant is going to change between now and 12/20. Staff changes might help with the LSD, but are really about the 24 season and 25 class.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 1:12 pm to misey94
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Turn your attention to the portal, because you are wasting your time thinking anything significant is going to change between now and 12/20. Staff changes might help with the LSD, but are really about the 24 season and 25 class.
Exactly, the damage is already done on this recruiting class honestly. Best we can do is hope for one surprise on LSD and the portal. Thus there is no rush….
Posted on 12/2/23 at 1:47 pm to Lester Earl
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They’ve signed 14 dbs in the last two classes
Not counting the portal, in '22 we signed:
Jordan Allen - RS in '22; ltd action in '23
Latrrance Welch in the portal
Jaelyn Davis-Robinson - left after '22
From '23 we signed:
Jeremiah Hughes - some action in all '12 games in '23
Javien Toviano - shows promise
Kylin Jackson - ltd action in 4 games in '23
Ryan Yates - played in all 12 games in '23
Ashton Stamps - played a good bit in '23
Michael Daugherty - in portal in Spring '23.
On paper, we signed some solid talent. Why our secondary was soooo bad IDK.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 2:00 pm to AlwysATgr
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On paper, we signed some solid talent. Why our secondary was soooo bad IDK.
Piss poor coverage scheme and little to no pressure on the QB. Our DBs did not know how to play complex zone coverages and wound up just covering grass instead of an actual receiver.
We also had poor safety play against the run. Losing Brooks was a big problem with nobody to fill the void. Sweeps and screens killed us... easy 3-10 yds every time.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 5:43 pm to AlwysATgr
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Not counting the portal, in '22 we signed:
Jordan Allen - RS in '22; ltd action in '23
Latrrance Welch in the portal
Jaelyn Davis-Robinson - left after '22
From '23 we signed:
Jeremiah Hughes - some action in all '12 games in '23
Javien Toviano - shows promise
Kylin Jackson - ltd action in 4 games in '23
Ryan Yates - played in all 12 games in '23
Ashton Stamps - played a good bit in '23
Michael Daugherty - in portal in Spring '23.
On paper, we signed some solid talent. Why our secondary was soooo bad IDK.
Where are the upperclassmen? There were no serviceable CBs in the pipeline when BK took over (after Nudie was booted). Hence, the heavy portal activity in years 1 and 2 at CB. Faired much better in the portal in year 1 than year 2. This alone goes a long way in explaining the secondary deficiencies.
Yes we signed some talent in those two classes, however expecting that talent to be competitive and ready to play at a high level immediately is absurd and unrealistic. Mostly physically and mentally not prepared to compete against players who are two, three and four years into college careers and development.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 6:01 pm to Safety Blitz
We might need 4-6 defensive kids from the portal. A lot of it depends on who is turning pro or hitting the portal themselves.....
1 DL
1 DE / Edge Rusher
1 LB
1 S
1-2 CB
I'm hoping JK Johnson returns in 2024 to CB and is healthy. Toviano moves back to S. Perkins stays. I think with a better DC the players we had on our '23 roster could have played better.
1 DL
1 DE / Edge Rusher
1 LB
1 S
1-2 CB
I'm hoping JK Johnson returns in 2024 to CB and is healthy. Toviano moves back to S. Perkins stays. I think with a better DC the players we had on our '23 roster could have played better.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 6:35 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
Yeah, I don’t know why he hasn’t canned House yet. Some people are saying he’s letting House find a landing place instead of firing him. Just can his arse. Guy is a bum.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 6:50 pm to Old Money
We need 10 new starters that look and play like the guys Georgia and Bama has. Perk is the only guy who sees the field on either of those defenses.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 8:03 pm to Safety Blitz
In total signed for this class from high school
CB- 4 Portal- 2 = 6
Safety- 2 Portal- 1 = 3
LB- 4 Portal- 1 = 5
DL (Interior)- 4 I wish, Portal & Juco- 3 (Shone already in) = 7 and keep Smith, Wingo, Guillory and the other 3-4
DE- 2 Portal 1 = 3
CB- 4 Portal- 2 = 6
Safety- 2 Portal- 1 = 3
LB- 4 Portal- 1 = 5
DL (Interior)- 4 I wish, Portal & Juco- 3 (Shone already in) = 7 and keep Smith, Wingo, Guillory and the other 3-4
DE- 2 Portal 1 = 3
This post was edited on 12/2/23 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 12/2/23 at 8:27 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Where’s Perk going?
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:17 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Piss poor coverage scheme and little to no pressure on the QB. Our DBs did not know how to play complex zone coverages and wound up just covering grass instead of an actual receiver.
This and the DC had no answers all season
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:05 am to Curtis Lowe
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Yes we signed some talent in those two classes, however expecting that talent to be competitive and ready to play at a high level immediately is absurd and unrealistic. Mostly physically and mentally not prepared to compete against players who are two, three and four years into college careers and development.
I agree that depending on true Fr is a risky proposition but it is by no means unprecedented including in the secondary. In fact here, it has a pretty rich legacy - off the top of my head, LaRon, PP7, Tre White, Eric Reid, Stingley, Ricks, Tyrann, Travis Daniels all played significantly as true Fr.
Yes, there are growing pains but by now, we're 25 games into the CBK era. That's a lot of time to get experience and yet going into '24 we're not much better off than we were coming into '23 at DB.
No inside info but I think the very thing about House that appealed to CBK is the very thing that's making life difficult. House convinced CBK that he was adept at defending DT QBs using his zone schemes. But because Os are more complex than ever, mastering his zone schemes takes time. Not as straightforward as plugging a true Fr in man. Hence, all the confusion and blown coverages.
And to be fair to House, he may be right. I just don't know if this approach is feasible in the NIL/portal era.
IOW, the root cause is not inexperience, but a scheme that's gonna take longer to master than players have patience for.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:30 am to Safety Blitz
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I keep waiting, but seeing no traction on Defensive Backs and D line.
Our strategy is to keep our defensive staff that can’t recruit anyone intact until after early signing day so we hold onto these big time defensive recruits that we don’t even have
It’s brilliant
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 12:31 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 1:13 am to AlwysATgr
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IOW, the root cause is not inexperience, but a scheme that's gonna take longer to master than players have patience for.
And isn’t that great to begin with.
Being so stuck on one scheme and not adjusting scheme to players is a giant red flag to me.
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