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re: Apparently LSU MBB paid north of 2 mill for Dedan Thomas

Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32021 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:00 pm to
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I don't know what sane person would think that going 18-15 is a success.


Have you read the board? There are a LOT on here who would stop just short of throwing McMahon a parade if he goes 18-15 next season. That's the point I was making. "Failure" doesn't mean the same to every LSU fan. Clearly there are many here who would tell you 18-15 is not failure at all.

I think you are arguing with me when I whole-heartedly agree with you!
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10541 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:04 pm to
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A Texas or OU at 6-12 in SEC?


That would be sneaking in, yes.

This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34608 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:05 pm to
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It was in an SI article. I’m sure you can do your own research & come up with something




Interesting that you could copy and paste the quote but not the link


Here is the link


This is sourced by shea and is focused on LSU thus can be assumed that these are numbers fed from our AD
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6387 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

Have you read the board? There are a LOT on here who would stop just short of throwing McMahon a parade if he goes 18-15 next season. That's the point I was making. "Failure" doesn't mean the same to every LSU fan. Clearly there are many here who would tell you 18-15 is not failure at all.


Yes, but did those people say they'd call it a success, if we spent money for a roster that should be in the NCAA tournament? I think most people don't expect that kind of turnaround, because LSU just hasn't competed in the portal in men's basketball to any degree that is necessary to win. That speaks to the low expectations you're talking about. But if we spend big, the expectations have to be much higher, and I would say a very small minority would still be happy with something like 18-15.

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I think you are arguing with me when I whole-heartedly agree with you!


Well here's where you confused me in your first reply, because it sounded like you were arguing with me, even though it seemed like we were in agreement. Made me think you missed something I said. The only part where I disagreed was that there should be any confusion on what constitutes "failure", if we are dishing out 2 million dollars for a single player, and assuming that kind of amount is going to continue to be needed to convince anyone to come here.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 3:10 pm
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
11343 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:09 pm to
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assumed that these are numbers fed from our AD


Assumed that they are accurate unless you have other sources. Link?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34608 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:15 pm to
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Assumed that they are accurate unless you have other sources. Link?



LINK


Miss states nil collective has a budget of $6.5 million TOTAL



Yet you want me to buy that they have a 5 million dollar + basketball roster
Posted by Romney Wordsworth
The Obsolete Fan
Member since Apr 2018
133 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:19 pm to
This is what I need to see from CMM to count next year a success:

1. Sign at least 2 more from the portal that are on the level of Dedan (preferably a SG & a 38-42% 3 point shooter)

2. Have an OOC schedule with some meat in it. Give me at least 3 non-conference games against tournament teams and win a couple.

3. At least .500 in conference

4. Win a freaking SEC tournament game

5. Make the tournament & hopefully win at least 1 game

If we can go 21-10 (9-9) or something similar & win a post season game, then I’ll say we’ve had a successful season.

Short of that will be disappointing.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
11343 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:28 pm to
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Miss states nil collective has a budget of $6.5 million TOTAL


That same link shows LSU at #2 with $20M?? That’s from Nov 2024 & obviously incorrect. We spent <$6M on football last year
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2272 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:30 pm to
What would Cenac cost?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34608 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:41 pm to
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That same link shows LSU at #2 with $20M?? That’s from Nov 2024 & obviously incorrect. We spent <$6M on football last year



So what you’re saying is trusting sources from one athletic department regarding the budget of other teams is not a good idea……


Interesting…..




Almost like they might cry poverty and exaggerate claims in order to panic fans and drive up their own revenue and absolve responsibility of poor performance…..hmmmm
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 3:45 pm
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2661 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:52 pm to
$6-6.5 mil is the base for a good competitive team in the SEC according to someone who is involved in this that I know. And no I really don't care if you believe me or not. LSU spent just under $2.0 mil so if you can't understand the difference in talent from $2.0 mil to $6 mil then you don't understand much. They probably spent around $1.3 mil for Thomas. Imagine if they only had $2.0 mil budget. It's amazing how math challenged a lot of you are on here. So that is why I was impressed, at times, with LSU ability to hang with those $6-$8 mil programs for most of the game. Yet there were times they got blown out. Pretty consistent with a young inexperienced under funded team. So instead of all the posturing and ridiculous comments about how no one will come play for Mcmahon or how the NIL numbers aren't true how about waiting to see exactly who they bring in this year with a much higher NIL budget and if Mcmahon is able to take that talent to another level. If he doesn't he's gone. If he does turn it around then how can you not support him. This ain't life or death. It's basketball.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51568 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:58 pm to
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the end result is it costs $6M, $7M, $8M+ just to slide in on the bubble then it would probably be a better investment to give those funds to a different HC rather than pay a ton just to hopefully make the NCAA Tournament.


What coach would come here if you’re NOT spending that much on the roster?
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31194 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

$6-6.5 mil is the base for a good competitive team in the SEC according to someone who is involved in this that I know. And no I really don't care if you believe me or not. LSU spent just under $2.0 mil so if you can't understand the difference in talent from $2.0 mil to $6 mil then you don't understand


Why is this so hard for people to understand/accept.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
11327 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 4:18 pm to
If true, not only does Woodward give ridiculous coaching contracts, but he authorizes ridiculous NIL deals. It's insane to think that guy is worth $2 million. But again, it's April Fool's Day.
Posted by tigerbait1.6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2013
4175 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Good to hear we have money


We have always had money
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32021 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

$6-6.5 mil is the base for a good competitive team in the SEC according to someone who is involved in this that I know. And no I really don't care if you believe me or not. LSU spent just under $2.0 mil so if you can't understand the difference in talent from $2.0 mil to $6 mil then you don't understand much. They probably spent around $1.3 mil for Thomas. Imagine if they only had $2.0 mil budget. It's amazing how math challenged a lot of you are on here. So that is why I was impressed, at times, with LSU ability to hang with those $6-$8 mil programs for most of the game. Yet there were times they got blown out. Pretty consistent with a young inexperienced under funded team. So instead of all the posturing and ridiculous comments about how no one will come play for Mcmahon or how the NIL numbers aren't true how about waiting to see exactly who they bring in this year with a much higher NIL budget and if Mcmahon is able to take that talent to another level. If he doesn't he's gone. If he does turn it around then how can you not support him. This ain't life or death. It's basketball.


Everyone knows someone who is in the know about NIL. Yet no one seems to know anything about NIL.

Ahead of last season (which means during the recruiting cycle) Arkansas was viewed as the program with the most, or near the most NIL funds

quote:

According to a new poll conducted anonymously of over 100 Division I men's basketball coaches by Matt Norlander and Gary Parrish of CBS, over 73% of ballots had Arkansas on the ballot when asked the question, "Which three programs do you believe have the best NIL situation?"


So what does one of the best NIL situations equal?

quote:

When Wess Moore, the sports director of Fox 16 in Little Rock, first reported Arkansas was on the verge of hiring John Calipari, it sent shockwaves through college basketball on the eve of its biggest event.

Calipari, the most well-known coach in the game, was leaving Kentucky and the nation's most basketball-obsessed fanbase for Arkansas? Really?!

But as soon the details started emerging about his reasoning, it all started to make sense. A key part of the deal was Arkansas boosters committing big money in name, image and likeness (NIL) resources – upwards of $5 million annually – to get Calipari the best team money could buy. Coupled with growing frustration among the Kentucky fanbase that he was unwilling to change, that helped Calipari make the big leap from Lexington to Fayetteville.


LINK

The estimated top 5 for last year was $2.5M - $5.0M. From the SEC only Arkansas and Kentucky were on that list.

LINK

That same article goes on to say "For college basketball teams to compete at the highest level, around $1.5 million to $3 million in NIL funds is generally needed annually.

Another commentator opined the median Power 5 collective payroll was approximately $750,000.

quote:

The median Power 5 collective NIL payroll for this season was approximately $750,000, according to Jason Belzer, the CEO of Student Athlete NIL, and he expects that number to double to $1.5 million for next year. Belzer's SANIL company works with the collectives for a wide range of basketball programs, from more prominent schools like Syracuse and Notre Dame to basketball-only powerhouses like Creighton to smaller schools such as Duquesne and Austin Peay.


Yet somehow this fairytale has ballooned to most of the SEC spending $6M - $8M against which poor ole Matt had just enough money to compete for 15-20 minutes before the gas tank was empty?

By the time we get to July the tale will be 14 of the 16 SEC teams spent $25M - $30M this past season, while LSU was reduced to having Cam Carter and Mike Williams standing on the corner of Burbank and Bluebonnet in their uniforms with buckets asking drivers for money to buy uniforms
Posted by Out da box
Member since Feb 2018
598 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:06 pm to
A perfect example of why I lost interest in college athletics…
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
9341 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:50 pm to
The Admiral took that receipt
Posted by king47
Member since Aug 2020
1566 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 6:13 pm to
Based off of what?
Posted by Masonburden67
Member since Dec 2017
995 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:35 pm to
Is this just for one year also lol? Wow yall have MM making stupid decisions glad he wasted 2 million dollars of lsu NIl money to be bottom feeders once again in the sec . I wonder if we have any money left over to get a respectable big man
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