re: 30 + 29 + 28 + 32 = 85 (The practice of oversigning)

There's way too much money involved with college football for anyone to not think of it in terms of a business. Recruiting is just one aspect of this business, and it isn't always fair to eveyone involved in it.

Personally, I think there's a lot to learn for the 17 and 18 year olds that partake in the recruitment process on their way to being college students - especially if they're planning on studying business.

This country has always been this way and will continue to be this way so long as B.O.'s approval rating continues to drop and democrats continue to lose seats in the house and the senate.

The one thing everyone should note, first and foremost, when it comes to overrecruiting is that those teams WIN.

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Dodd

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Do you read your comments? I just noticed the other day how much shite people talk about you there but they talk as if they have read every article you have ever written

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It's the reason I keep on keeping on. I love to throw gas on fires

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Take it from me, it's hilarious and you sometimes throw out a gem. I like to post on your comments once in a while to stoke the fires for you.

LSU seems to lose players for one of three reasons, kid wants to to home, grades, rules violations. Of course the rules violations can be used to cover up almost anything, and any kid who is "cut" could cover himself by saying that he is leaving to get closer to home, but I really don't see LSU as being guilty of these practices. If anything, it looks like Miles is an honorable coach. We certainly haven't lost poor performers, in most cases, and when we have, the kids seem to have left on thier own initiative.

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JP is seeing this issue most clearly. Athletic scholarships are given out primarily in the basis of pohysical skills just like academic scholarships are given out based on acedemic capability. Like the academic scholar, the athletic scholar who cannot keep up his end of the bargain runs the risk of losing his free ride.

BTW: when either scholar lose the free ride, they become just lke the rest of us.....Oh the horror!!!!

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Athletic scholarships are given out primarily in the basis of physical skills just like academic scholarships are given out based on academic capability. Like the academic scholar, the athletic scholar who cannot keep up his end of the bargain runs the risk of losing his free ride.

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This is an excellent point. A scholar usually must maintain a 3.0 GPA and some cases better to keep their scholarship.

Also this is not exactly anything new. I have read several players over the years say their scholarship was pulled so as to be given to someone else. An example, Rob Bironas who kicks for the Titans has his scholarship pulled when Tuberville started at Auburn because Tuberville does not give kickers scholarships. Bironas had been the team's kicker He was not cut but no longer had a free ride. He transferred.


"Bironas attended Auburn University where he was a semi-finalist for the Lou Groza Award in 1998 after making 12 of 16 field goal attempts (including two successful 49-yard (45 m) tries with the four misses from 40+) and making all 18 PATs for a team-high 54 points. The following season, new head coach Tommy Tuberville kicked the preseason All-SEC kicker off the football team and replaced Bironas with the punter, Damon Duval.[1][2] Bironas later transferred to Georgia Southern University, where his brother was on the soccer team, for his final year of collegiate eligibility. While with the Eagles, Bironas won the 2000 NCAA Division I-AA National Championship, before returning to graduate from Auburn with a degree in marketing."

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In my mind if a guy shows up to practice, gives it his all, then regardless of how he turns out on the field he has fulfilled his end of the bargain.

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My gut tells me that guys that do what you stated are not the ones who normally get "cut" ... I would guess that the unlucky kids that do eventually get "cut" (or whatever you want to call it) have done more to deserve that, whether it's grades, commitment, getting in trouble, bad attitude, or a combination of a lot of these things, etc, etc. Not to mention there is a good percentage of these kids that decide to leave on their own for lack of playing time, depth chart, etc. Also, most kids that are good enough to get a scholarship at LSU can easily get a scholarship at a smaller school to continue playing ball and getting their education paid for. Miles makes one call and the kid's gonna have a spot somewhere else.

I don't think there are many kids that do everything right on and off the field, have a great attitude, give it their all, and then LSU decides to yank their scholarship. I certainly don't know how many of these types we have had at LSU, but I'd bet the number is much closer to 0 than it is to 50 over the last 6 years under Miles.

The guys that we lose (RP, deas, Ricky Dixon, Odom, jarvis jones, etc, etc, etc) typically have a lot more factors involved in their departure. Point being, they weren't all great kids giving it their all on and off the field).

IMO, coaches should factor all of this into their recruiting. It is imperitive that they include the high probability that they will have guys leave the program for whatever reason into their recruiting philosophy. The shouldn't be signing 40 guys every year (and obviously can't now), but I believe the coaches should definitely oversign just about every year IMO to help with what should be EXPECTED: attrition.

this chart helps track where all our signees ended up... LINK...In the gray are kids that are no longer with the LSU program.

The link has been updated since I originally posted it.

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We promise that we are not picking on Nick Saban, the simple fact is that he oversigns players every single year and in order for new guys to come in existing guys gotta go.

This year's numbers are in and basically 9 (possibly 10) players have got to go between now and August.

Our goal is to chronicle every kill until the death march to 85 is complete.

As mentioned above, after taking classes of 25 & 32 his first two years, Saban has followed up with 27 & 28/9.

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And the link one more time: LINK


So it's not like Saban has 10 players he knows aren't cutting it so he went out and over recruited to fill their spots. If they were that bad they'd already be cut. No he's going to wait until after the spring game and decide "ok, these kids just aren't good enough and need to transfer". That's his fault for recruiting them he should have to eat that scholarship.

Saban is the one ABUSING this rule and it is pathetic, the way the lying weasel does it. Last year he forced out, cut, forced to quit football or transfer about 8 players in the July/August period. These were guys that went through spring training, and busted their arse, some for years for the program and Saban.

All because he wanted to oversign.

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Well, although you are correct about Saban, Florida (28), LSU (29), and Auburn (32) all signed more players than Bama in 2010.

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LSU only signed 27 and two of those enrolled early.