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re: When do you walk away from a house offer...
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:47 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:47 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
quote:
would say you would be looking at a lot more than 100k to get that one updated and in shape.
how much more
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:22 pm to CE Tiger
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how much more
I would think you could blow that budget pretty easily on the 1st floor alone, not even taking into consideration the structural stuff like the roof and hvac issues you mentioned.
Full disclosure, I am by no means a contractor but do have some experience with Reno’s. I also almost got caught up in a very similar situation to yours last year when we were house hunting. My wife and I both fell in love with a beautiful older house that was extremely dated and had structural issues. As soon as we actually had a contractor do a walkthrough we realized we would have probably had to negotiate another 150k off the asking to be in the ballpark.
I like some others advice in this thread that suggest having a pro contractor come in and give you an estimate. Unfortunately it’s really hard to find a good contractor willing to come in and do this before you actually own the house and It also sounds like you are pretty far along in the closing process so if you have any doubts now you better act quick.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:55 pm to CE Tiger
It does depend on finishes but that’s a big house and a lot of work for 100k
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:17 pm to mtcheral
i feel like what i have got going for me is i don’t need to move walls. floors upstairs are all good except bathrooms . i would do the painting myself and there’s things i can live with for a bit until bonuses come around . biggest cost will be kitchen.
priority is:
plumbing
hvac downstairs
windows
electrical
kitchen
master bath
i’ve had a contractor walk through the house with me and he thought the 100k could get me a few things in my list.
priority is:
plumbing
hvac downstairs
windows
electrical
kitchen
master bath
i’ve had a contractor walk through the house with me and he thought the 100k could get me a few things in my list.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:35 pm to CE Tiger
If you can do things yourself, you'll save substantially.
Not sure your level of skill or desire to do renovation projects.
Just rough guessing here that you could save about half the cost by doing it yourself. Maybe I'm off on that.
For example, I was quoted about 18k to do some flooring, I'm doing it myself, with better flooring pieces, for about $10k
Not sure your level of skill or desire to do renovation projects.
Just rough guessing here that you could save about half the cost by doing it yourself. Maybe I'm off on that.
For example, I was quoted about 18k to do some flooring, I'm doing it myself, with better flooring pieces, for about $10k
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:41 am to CE Tiger
You say that your offer is at $118/sqft, and believe the market value would be around $150/sqft when renovations are done. At 3100 sqft, that's only $99,200. You were going in with a reno budget of $100k, and now have 3 major reno costs added to your original budget. Sounds like you'd be underwater unless you can get the seller to drastically drop their price.
Also, you mentioned she said she fixed the roof and the water was from Olga, can she provide proof of the repairs?
If you already have a contractor that you're working with, you probably should have them follow the inspection report and look at the items identified in the report. They should be able to tell for certain if the roof was repaired, patched, or she's flat out lying.
FYI, I would walk unless she was willing to fix the roof & plumbing herself.
Also, you mentioned she said she fixed the roof and the water was from Olga, can she provide proof of the repairs?
If you already have a contractor that you're working with, you probably should have them follow the inspection report and look at the items identified in the report. They should be able to tell for certain if the roof was repaired, patched, or she's flat out lying.
FYI, I would walk unless she was willing to fix the roof & plumbing herself.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:16 pm to CE Tiger
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built in 1968 priced “as is” and knew it was gonna be a project
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wasn’t expecting to be hit with a potential extra $30k before we start renovating though
You really should have. That said I'm with you on the plumbing repair, but not the AC or roof as those should be obvious without an inspection. I'd go back to them $15k lower or so for the plumbing fix.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 2:41 pm to CE Tiger
just be straight up with them on what the issues are
tell them you still want the house but repair costs make the purchase unrealistic for you unless they come down some on the price to offset repairs
ask for 50% or repair costs and let them know you have to walk if they dont agree. if they want to sell they should be agreeable, if not, walk
there are going to be lots of things not found in inspection you need to fix as well so figure to add another 10% more to what you "think" you will have to spend on repairs
tell them you still want the house but repair costs make the purchase unrealistic for you unless they come down some on the price to offset repairs
ask for 50% or repair costs and let them know you have to walk if they dont agree. if they want to sell they should be agreeable, if not, walk
there are going to be lots of things not found in inspection you need to fix as well so figure to add another 10% more to what you "think" you will have to spend on repairs
Posted on 12/6/19 at 2:54 pm to CE Tiger
Plumbing has break under the slab about 40’ and in the backyard needs trenching to repair about another 40’.
rough estimate for this is $10-$15k for tunneling and repair replace pipes
HVAC unit downstairs is original with the house ... 1968 needs replacing
no its not original to house but most likely way outdated needing replacement
rough estimate for this is $10-$12k for replacing with all new ductwork
Roof has potential leak which seller claimed to fix yet their were buckets upstairs with water in them. Seller claims this was left over from Olga (why is their still water from a late October storm?)
sounds like they lied to you, does the inspection list it as having a brand new roof? if not you will need a brand new roof and thats another $10-$15k job
these 3 items alone added up say you will need to put between $30-$42k into the house already and these are only the big ticket items you are aware of. the small BS needed will most likely add another $5k in sheetrock and paint, flooring, renovating the bedrooms, and then add another huge chunk of anywhere from $15-$30k to remodel the kitchen
then how about the bathrooms? those are at least $5-$10k each to redo
if you really really love the house you will have spent around $200k on it and then you already know its only worth $150k based on the comps
rough estimate for this is $10-$15k for tunneling and repair replace pipes
HVAC unit downstairs is original with the house ... 1968 needs replacing
no its not original to house but most likely way outdated needing replacement
rough estimate for this is $10-$12k for replacing with all new ductwork
Roof has potential leak which seller claimed to fix yet their were buckets upstairs with water in them. Seller claims this was left over from Olga (why is their still water from a late October storm?)
sounds like they lied to you, does the inspection list it as having a brand new roof? if not you will need a brand new roof and thats another $10-$15k job
these 3 items alone added up say you will need to put between $30-$42k into the house already and these are only the big ticket items you are aware of. the small BS needed will most likely add another $5k in sheetrock and paint, flooring, renovating the bedrooms, and then add another huge chunk of anywhere from $15-$30k to remodel the kitchen
then how about the bathrooms? those are at least $5-$10k each to redo
if you really really love the house you will have spent around $200k on it and then you already know its only worth $150k based on the comps
Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:39 pm to CE Tiger
Get pricing to repair the known issues, reduce offer by that plus and additional $_____.00 at your discretion. Make them reject your offer.
And, I'm talking a LOW BALL OFFER.
And, I'm talking a LOW BALL OFFER.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 4:31 pm to jmon
met with an HVAC guy cost to replace is $7500. original heater is a fricken Chrysler brand
at this point seller needs to come up with about $20k in cash or fix repairs and drop price another $20k
at this point seller needs to come up with about $20k in cash or fix repairs and drop price another $20k
Posted on 12/6/19 at 5:05 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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You say that your offer is at $118/sqft, and believe the market value would be around $150/sqft when renovations are done. At 3100 sqft, that's only $99,200.
i guess i was low balling because i figured y’all would laugh at the ridiculous prices in this area but in reality this house would sell for above $600k if updated and all this shite was fixed
Posted on 12/6/19 at 5:40 pm to CE Tiger
I’ve been through three potential home purchases in the last t years, all older homes that needed obvious work. Made offer, accepted pending inspection and each property had more extensive repairs needed after inspection. You have to be willing to lose in order to get your best deal. We made no extraordinary claims as all needed repairs were backed up with estimates. You can ask for more time to get estimates, as well. Came really close on the last one, but MOLD was discovered in the crawl space and the owner flat out told us “as is” and wouldn’t reduce further. We walked. Our situation may be different than yours as we are downsizing and have the luxury of not having to move.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:34 am to jmon
Mine was a little different, but offered the seller a price they had already declined from a contractor looking to flip. I however included all the estimates for repairs that would make the house 'livable'
Was fully ready to walk away, but based my offer on what the house was worth and not what price I thought I could get them to agree to.
I ended up about 15% above my low estimates when all was said and done. Felt I was right where I should have been. It was a huge risk though. Even my foundation contractor thought I was crazy.
Was fully ready to walk away, but based my offer on what the house was worth and not what price I thought I could get them to agree to.
I ended up about 15% above my low estimates when all was said and done. Felt I was right where I should have been. It was a huge risk though. Even my foundation contractor thought I was crazy.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:10 am to CE Tiger
Is this a house that you plan on living in or plan to flip?
I've not read all the post so sorry if you have answered.
100k gets you to that $150/ sq ft
If you plan on living there that’s fine.
If you plan to flip, you will not make anything.
Do you have estimates to have the entire roof replaced?
I've not read all the post so sorry if you have answered.
100k gets you to that $150/ sq ft
If you plan on living there that’s fine.
If you plan to flip, you will not make anything.
Do you have estimates to have the entire roof replaced?
Posted on 12/7/19 at 1:49 pm to bbvdd
plan to live there for a long time.
i have someone getting me an estimate on the roof this weekend
$150 is actually extremely low for the area. a nice house that size could sell for a lot more
i have someone getting me an estimate on the roof this weekend
$150 is actually extremely low for the area. a nice house that size could sell for a lot more
Posted on 12/7/19 at 3:14 pm to CE Tiger
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 8:44 pm to lsutiger2010
so submitted the post inspection response tonight:
Seller Pay $9575 of closing cost to fix plumbing repair
Seller pay $8985 for new roof
Seller pay $7493 for new heat and ac downstairs
they made it pretty clear they won’t be making the repairs preclosing so hopefully at closing they will give me the money to pay the contractor estimates i got.
Seller Pay $9575 of closing cost to fix plumbing repair
Seller pay $8985 for new roof
Seller pay $7493 for new heat and ac downstairs
they made it pretty clear they won’t be making the repairs preclosing so hopefully at closing they will give me the money to pay the contractor estimates i got.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:02 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
People in the Nola area pay crazy prices for subpar houses.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:30 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
You say that your offer is at $118/sqft, and believe the market value would be around $150/sqft when renovations are done. At 3100 sqft, that's only $99,200. You were going in with a reno budget of $100k, and now have 3 major reno costs added to your original budget. Sounds like you'd be underwater unless you can get the seller to drastically drop their price.
Ultimately came to post exactly this.
And the $100k gets you a few things on your list with the rest coming when you get bonuses and such.
And you are carrying a second mortgage through the repairs
Unless there is a drastic change in the situation I’m not sure why you’d consider staying. Sounds like it has a ton of risk and literally no upside unless you get a massive drop.
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