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re: Louisiana Tropical Fruit Gardening - Experiences and Updates

Posted on 9/25/26 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
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Posted on 9/25/26 at 8:04 pm to
Extremely interesting news from Pawpaw Planet on Facebook today. I'll post a link but I'm also copying the entire text here for those who don't have Facebook:

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Announcement for Southern Asimina Pawpaw Growers:

"Marsh pawpaw" discovery in Madison County, KY on the preglacial Pleistocene KY River bed near Berea.
It is a promising break-through for the long-seasoned, humid, heat soaked, clay-baked areas of the South.

Geology did the Breeding:

The shunting of the old KY river bed created a shallow terraced broad lagoon ecosystem where pawpaw trees were required to survive in standing water for weeks and even months at time. It was do-or-die with no escape to the south because of an elevated ridge running the length of the Cumberland escarpment. The lake eventually became Silver Creek which drains to one of the largest pawpaw super-forests in the country between Harrodsburg and Nicholasville along the KY River.

The Marsh pawpaw:

The fruit on the Mash pawpaw is similar to the Tropical Treat pawpaw and so is the open vase-like structure with slender "whip-branches" that are sent above the 8 ft level.

These open canopy trees have no problem with black spots etc. and take the heat well. On the other-hand this is the only pawpaw-group I have seen that touches creek-water at normal levels with the trunk and produces healthy fruit at the same time.

Tropical Treat is not like that, but the mother-tree has scaley thick bark that is promising against ambrosia-beetle infestation for a resilient cross--breed.

The 2012 KY ice storm almost completely destroyed the marsh pawpaw stand where I selected. The forest ranger said pawpaw trees in that area were 95% crushed by falling oak limbs, trees, etc.

Background:

Kentucky once had an entire pawpaw growing and marketing system worked out in the 1800s that was lost. It moved fruits from the orchard to the farmer's market throughout Central KY.

The KY pawpaw varieties have been largely ignored in breeding efforts by Corwin Davis, Zimmerman, and others, that focused on northern extremity meso-forest genetics. Trees grew large with large leaves and sprawling horizontal braches.

This left a huge niche opening for the southern half of the indigenous range. Sunflower has the heat tolerance and does well in the south with its thicker leaves. Mango is too juicy and has kerosene flavors. The few named KY varieties are not from central KY. Tropical Treat appears to be promising with its "river-bank" origin from the KY River system. It came from seeds found in Beattyville at the confluence of the 3 KY Rivers.

The land grant system at KYSU was concerned about the gap between the breeding and the native trees. KYSU had a contest in the 90s for wild KY pawpaw fruit to reduce concerns for the natural KY population -- which is superior anyway, imho as Indian tribes from all over the east converged there for hunting and brought some of their best seeds with them.

Conclusion:

So now we are looking forward to the root-stock this tree produces along with some possible cross-breeding to use in the hot humid long-season South with baked clay soil along with two million years of evolution in a do-or die cul-de-sac, several glaciers, and indigenous hunting bands preparing the way.


This would be huge for us in Louisiana where pawpaws are extremely marginal trees.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/25/26 at 9:38 pm to
yes it would
mine (by and large) look like shite right now. I’m hoping for some recovery before the first freeze, and for some vertical growth next year
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:56 am to
They are supposed to start looking like garbage right now. The angle of the sunlight is already triggering dormancy. They should be turning yellow and dropping leaves. You should expect zero vertical growth in the first year.
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 7:00 am
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:13 am to
Fruit I didn’t know I had. This little Bell Carambola tree arrived only a few months ago. It sits among some yellow croton plants and it’s grown a fruit without me even noticing. I was doing some fertilizing and pruning shrubs and low and behold there it was.



Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34921 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 12:25 pm to
I just met the “mango man”

Was getting out of my truck and a Hispanic guy pulls up and stops in his truck and introduces himself. Says do you know what people call me? They call me the mango man. I said oh ok. He points to my M-4 and says I see you got a mango. I said yeah, hoping to get some fruit next year. Says he planted a Keitt from seed but that the snow got it last year but it’s coming back. #CSB
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 1:02 pm to
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I just met the “mango man”


LOL…. So random.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

This little Bell Carambola tree arrived only a few months ago. It sits among some yellow croton plants and it’s grown a fruit without me even noticing. I was doing some fertilizing and pruning shrubs and low and behold there it was.

Awesome! How was it? Harvested a bunch of Kari and took them to the tailgate yesterday. Heavy bloom here.

This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

I just met the “mango man”

Was getting out of my truck and a Hispanic guy pulls up and stops in his truck and introduces himself. Says do you know what people call me? They call me the mango man. I said oh ok. He points to my M-4 and says I see you got a mango. I said yeah, hoping to get some fruit next year. Says he planted a Keitt from seed but that the snow got it last year but it’s coming back. #CSB

That dude is either about to be your best friend or steal your mangos. Or both.

I imagine it's like living in Cambodia for decades and one day happening upon some Cambodian guy smoking perfect links of boudin. You'd go talk to that guy.
This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 4:08 pm to
Getting a handful of jaboticaba fruit every day right now. I have really come to enjoy this fruit. I have a friend who is deep into jabo collecting and he talked me into growing them. I did not think I would like them this much.



Qinmi #9 passionfruit has its first flower. This is a yellow passionfruit (Passiflora edulis flavicarpa) and therefore very cold sensitive. Significantly more sensitive than purple passionfruit. But it handles blazing hot tropical weather without complaint. I'll be keeping a close eye on it as we ease into cooler weather and will cut it off the trellis to overwinter as soon as I see stress. Notice that the yellow fruited vines don't have the same trilobate leaf shape as purple passionfruit or maypop.



This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 4:09 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/27/26 at 5:13 pm to
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Awesome! How was it?


I’m gonna let it sit on the counter for a day or two and see if the edges turn brown. I’ve always been told that’s when they are at peak ripeness/sweetness.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 7:36 am to
quote:

I’m gonna let it sit on the counter for a day or two and see if the edges turn brown. I’ve always been told that’s when they are at peak ripeness/sweetness.

Fun fact: carambola is a non-climacteric fruit. The green will disappear but that is just the chlorophyll degrading. It will not increase in sugar content after removing from the tree.
Posted by Loup
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:21 am to
Awesome! I have a couple on the Bell's I got earlier this year as well. Is that at peak ripeness? I have no idea when to pick these things.

I had to move it to my front yard because the dogs were starting to get interested. Hopefully the deer don't get them before I do.




Mealy bugs on my guava. These are all over my beauty berry and shrimp plant as well. Since the fruiting is done for the year I'm thinking of doing an imidacloprid soil drench on it. They were so bad on my shrimp plant that I cut it back to the dirt.

Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 10:04 am to
quote:

Is that at peak ripeness? I have no idea when to pick these things.

If you want maximum sweetness pick them when they are orange and all green has disappeared. If you want a little more tart pick earlier. They will not develop more sweetness once picked but they will change color.

quote:

Mealy bugs on my guava. These are all over my beauty berry and shrimp plant as well. Since the fruiting is done for the year I'm thinking of doing an imidacloprid soil drench on it. They were so bad on my shrimp plant that I cut it back to the dirt.

Guava is a mealybug magnet. Soil drench is what you need.
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34921 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 11:53 am to
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Guava is a mealybug magnet. Soil drench is what you need.
which soil drench do you like for insects and which do you like for disease?
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 4:40 pm to
For insects I like the high strength imidacloprid. 21%, not the Bonide 1% garbage.

For disease we're mainly talking about antifungals which I really don't need systemic drenches for. For sprays I like Garden Phos, Bonide Fruit and Plant Guard, Bonide Infuse, copper, Daconil, and mancozeb. Sulfur too but be careful with it in hot weather.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:11 pm to
First Geffner atemoya ripened up today. Wow, this is an awesome fruit! Think pineapple/vanilla/white sugar. Super sweet and juicy. Can't wait for the bigger ones to be ready.



This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 5:12 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
72454 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:31 pm to
TL, did you buy your giant elephant ear plants small and grow them or were they medium when you got them?


Id love a couple of them for my back yard. But I can only find babies.


Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9502 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:48 pm to


Good to know. It’s far and away the best tasting starfruit I’ve had. It’s sweet, has notes of citrus and Asian pear. The flesh is soft and it’s got a refreshing amount of juiciness. Would bang again for sure. May need to throw this one in the ground.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
23529 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 9:55 pm to
Nice! Next time cut the green ridges off. That's the astringent part and also the part that contains the most oxalic acid, which is bad for your kidneys. Sounds very similar to the flavor of my Kari.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
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Posted on 9/28/26 at 9:58 pm to
Here it is when I got it on 5/6/24:

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