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Lets talk about cement board
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:18 pm
Contemplating replacing vinyl siding with Cement board. Hesitating because supposedly the maintenance is much higher and there could be moisture issues. Anyone care to set me straight? :-)
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:46 pm to Daygo85
What moisture issues would there be? If it's painted, it will be fine. I have hardie on both of my houses and it looks 100x better than vinyl. Follow hardie's install instructions and you shouldn't have any issues. I've seen vinyl warped to hell from neighbors windows reflecting the sun off of it. Hardie won't do that.
I will admit, it's a pain in the arse to work with. You need a special cutting blade and the dust is highly toxic so you need wear a mask when cutting.
I will admit, it's a pain in the arse to work with. You need a special cutting blade and the dust is highly toxic so you need wear a mask when cutting.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:56 pm to Chasin The Tiger
this is what I have found on multiple sites:
"Vinyl siding, however, edges out its heavier cousin because fiber cement has been known to absorb water, which can cause it—and the walls of your home underneath—to rot."
and
"Here’s where vinyl siding pulls way ahead of fiber cement. When fiber cement is installed, it needs to be caulked and painted (unless you opt for the prepainted version), unlike vinyl siding, which needs no additional work before or after installation. Over the long haul, you’ll need to paint fiber-cement siding periodically because it will fade due to the demands of Mother Nature. Likewise, you’ll need to ensure that the caulking in the joints maintains its integrity to avoid water intrusion."
"Vinyl siding, however, edges out its heavier cousin because fiber cement has been known to absorb water, which can cause it—and the walls of your home underneath—to rot."
and
"Here’s where vinyl siding pulls way ahead of fiber cement. When fiber cement is installed, it needs to be caulked and painted (unless you opt for the prepainted version), unlike vinyl siding, which needs no additional work before or after installation. Over the long haul, you’ll need to paint fiber-cement siding periodically because it will fade due to the demands of Mother Nature. Likewise, you’ll need to ensure that the caulking in the joints maintains its integrity to avoid water intrusion."
Posted on 8/29/22 at 2:05 pm to Daygo85
Fiber cement wont absorb moisture if it's painted and cut ends are primed before install. Hardie actually now says to NOT caulk butt joints in lap siding. Instead, you put a piece of flashing behind if water does get there. I used stainless steel sheets behind my butt joints, but you can also use roofing membrane cut into squares. Also, you should have house wrap behind your siding (I used zip sheathing), which will also protect your framing from moisture. Water is just as likely to get behind vinyl as it is hardie if installation is not done properly.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 2:05 pm to Daygo85
quote:
this is what I have found on multiple sites: "Vinyl siding, however, edges out its heavier cousin because fiber cement has been known to absorb water, which can cause it—and the walls of your home underneath—to rot."
and
"Here’s where vinyl siding pulls way ahead of fiber cement. When fiber cement is installed, it needs to be caulked and painted (unless you opt for the prepainted version), unlike vinyl siding, which needs no additional work before or after installation. Over the long haul, you’ll need to paint fiber-cement siding periodically because it will fade due to the demands of Mother Nature. Likewise, you’ll need to ensure that the caulking in the joints maintains its integrity to avoid water intrusion."
This is true of every siding - you need to make sure things are sealed and avoid water intrusion. This applies to vinyl siding also - it does get damaged occasionally or the install is poor and intrusion happens. I have seen rot behind vinyl siding.
I have had Hardiplank on part of my house for 24 years. Just replaced the remaining wood siding 3 years ago with Hardiplank since the little bit I had had done so well. It holds paint really well and dramatically increases the length of time between paint jobs when compared to wood.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:02 pm to Daygo85
Those look like sites that want to push vinyl siding. It’s crap.
Get the Hardi.
Get the Hardi.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:49 pm to 9rocket
One thing I have noticed on a lot of these houses that replace vinyl with hardie is the wavy walls. I guess I have been seeing more since we are in middle of an Ida zone.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 6:12 pm to ChEgrad
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It holds paint really well and dramatically increases the length of time between paint jobs when compared to wood.
In your experience (or anyone else for that matter) how long does a paint job last with hardy?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 6:43 pm to Daygo85
My house is going on 5 years and the only part that could use a paint refresh is the wood trim while the hardi looks great with just a soft wash every year.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:20 pm to Daygo85
Slightly unrelated, but does anyone have experience with Nichi panels?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:50 pm to Porker Face
Nichiha is a good product
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:26 pm to Daygo85
20 grand to replace vinyl siding on back of house with Hardi. Good luck if it’s whole house unless you can do it yourself.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 6:23 am to Daygo85
There are so many houses with this on them. If moisture was a problem in this area that would not have happened. I had it on 2 and a rent house zero issues First house is from 1999.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 6:26 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:44 am to Daygo85
quote:
Contemplating replacing vinyl siding with Cement board. Hesitating because supposedly the maintenance is much higher and there could be moisture issues. Anyone care to set me straight?
Yes, the maintenance is going to be more. But so is the value most likely. Vinyl gets a bad name because it looks cheap like plastic, because it basically is. But its extremely easy to install, lasts a long time, and you basically can just pressure wash it once a year or so to keep it clean and you are done until next year.
Cement board isn't high maintenance, its just that Vinyl is as low maintenance as it gets.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:49 am to Daygo85
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In your experience (or anyone else for that matter) how long does a paint job last with hardy?
Well, I went twenty years between paint jobs on a house that was 20% Hardiplank and the rest wood siding. The paint was peeling on the wood siding and had been for years. The Hardiplank still looked good after 20 years. Not sure how long it would have lasted.
I replaced the wood with Hardiplank as part of a larger project and repainted the house. If I can go another twenty years between painting it will likely be someone else’s problem.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:20 am to Daygo85
There's a reason new construction homes and Multi-family apartments are built using Hardie/fiber cement panel - it's a superior product to vinyl siding in every way.
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