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Kitchen Cabinet Painting Help

Posted on 2/12/21 at 4:35 am
Posted by rumination
Member since Jan 2020
780 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 4:35 am
I am looking to redo my kitchen cabinet doors. I think they were stained prior to my first painting them.. I may have used latex paint. I don't remember. Years later the paint is chipping off and just looks bad.

Is there a recommended process to painting kitchen doors to withstand grease, heat and whatnot. Should I use an oil based paint? Should I use primer first. If I was to completely replace the doors is there a certain type of wood I should use.

I want to paint the doors and then hope they are easy to clean off kitchen grease.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
20028 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:51 am to
Where to start with this reply?

First off, when you painted the cabinets the first time, what kind of prep work did you do prior to putting on the paint?

If it is cracking and chipping then you will have a good bit of prep work to do this time to make it look good once fresh paint is applied since every defect will be magnified.

First thing you should have done is mixed TSP (Tri-sodium Phosphate) with warm water and wiped down the cabinets to remove any grease accumulated, especially from cabinets near the stove. Then, after they dried, you should have sanded them to break the surface of the previous finish for better paint adhesion.

I would have used a stain blocking prime in oil base like Kilz and after that dried, lightly sanded it again with fine sandpaper to get it very smooth, then wiped down to remove any dust before applying the top coats of paint.

They make great latex products now and if it were my job, I'd use one of their exterior eggshell paints that have a slight gloss when dry. That will help make future cleanings easier----I'd NEVER use a flat paint on cabinets.

The key to making a paint job look good is all in the prep work and using good products. You can have $100 a gallon paint, but if you do a $1 prep job, it's still going to look like shite.

Another tip is to use GOOD brushes to apply the finish, not those cheap brushes you can get for $3 at Home Depot.

Better yet, it you have access to a sprayer, that is the best option, but that would mean removing the doors and drawers so you don't have overspray everywhere in the kitchen, and you'd still want to brush the face frames.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 5:53 am
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
42804 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:51 am to
That follow up post is spot on. TSP is really a must to do it correctly.
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2391 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:54 am to
Yea you have to sand them down good before applying a new coating. It's a good bit of work to get them looking good but not all that difficult
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13472 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:31 am to
quote:

gumbo2176


Excellent points all around. My wife paints on the side, and has done several of our friends kitchens. Her process is very similar. TSP wipedown, then uses our power sander with a medium grit followed by a fine grit to get the surface smooth. Then another good wipedown to remove all dust. She uses a Shellac based primer, sprayed on in a fine thin coat, then a light sanding with fine sandpaper. Follows it up with eggshell enamel sprayed on thin. Another sanding and a final spray. Then she buffs it with a cloth rag. Leaves a very smooth and durable finish. I've helped her on some of her projects. She takes all the doors and hardware off and brings them to our garage to spray.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
42804 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:43 am to
I rolled mine when I did it. I used a super smooth small roller.
A hard paint is vital, too. I went with Behr Alkyd and have been quite pleased.

This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 8:48 am
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:03 am to
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Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:29 am to
quote:

TSP wipedown, then uses our power sander with a medium grit followed by a fine grit to get the surface smooth. Then another good wipedown to remove all dust. She uses a Shellac based primer, sprayed on in a fine thin coat, then a light sanding with fine sandpaper. Follows it up with eggshell enamel sprayed on thin. Another sanding and a final spray. Then she buffs it with a cloth rag.
This but I went with gloss on my cabinets
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19268 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:50 am to
Time prep quality paint and primer that are comparable
Paint and primer renner 688 is a very hard paint if you are spraying you have to add the catalyst.
LINK
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13472 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:52 am to
quote:

This but I went with gloss on my cabinets


I think she's used everything from eggshell to gloss, depending on what people wanted. Most were painting over originally stained cabinets, and a couple were repainting. It is almost easier to paint over stain, since there usually isn't any paint to chip off. Just sand it down and prime/paint.

We also have 3 paint sprayers now. One is a POS that we shouldn't have bought, but it was pretty cheap. We have the Wagner with the two sprayers, one for large projects and one for fine detail spraying. That is the one she uses on cabinets, especially those that have some detail in them and aren't flat doors. She bought the upgraded/updated model of that one, and it has the metal can instead of plastic, so cleanup is a little easier. Well worth it to spend $120-150 on the HVLP sprayer if you're doing a kitchen. By the time you buy brushes/rollers/trays you're halfway there anyways, and all of that stuff can't be reused like a sprayer can.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
178850 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Where to start with this reply?

First off, when you painted the cabinets the first time, what kind of prep work did you do prior to putting on the paint?

If it is cracking and chipping then you will have a good bit of prep work to do this time to make it look good once fresh paint is applied since every defect will be magnified.

First thing you should have done is mixed TSP (Tri-sodium Phosphate) with warm water and wiped down the cabinets to remove any grease accumulated, especially from cabinets near the stove. Then, after they dried, you should have sanded them to break the surface of the previous finish for better paint adhesion.

I would have used a stain blocking prime in oil base like Kilz and after that dried, lightly sanded it again with fine sandpaper to get it very smooth, then wiped down to remove any dust before applying the top coats of paint.

They make great latex products now and if it were my job, I'd use one of their exterior eggshell paints that have a slight gloss when dry. That will help make future cleanings easier----I'd NEVER use a flat paint on cabinets.

The key to making a paint job look good is all in the prep work and using good products. You can have $100 a gallon paint, but if you do a $1 prep job, it's still going to look like shite.

Another tip is to use GOOD brushes to apply the finish, not those cheap brushes you can get for $3 at Home Depot.

Better yet, it you have access to a sprayer, that is the best option, but that would mean removing the doors and drawers so you don't have overspray everywhere in the kitchen, and you'd still want to brush the face frames.


buy new cabinets.
Posted by rumination
Member since Jan 2020
780 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 4:22 pm to
Thank you so much for that thorough help of advice.

I am going to start brand new and follow those steps.

I really appreciate it.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
20028 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

Thank you so much for that thorough help of advice.


You're welcome, and good luck.
Posted by romrom
Member since Jan 2021
8 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 6:09 am to
CABINET REFINISHING is quite a challenging process:
Remove doors, hinges, drawer fronts from cabinet boxes.
Mask inside of all the cabinets to protect items from dust, & lacquer.
To mask walls, floors, countertops & any other others to be protected from finish, kitchen
will be sealed off from the rest of the house.
Apply a degreaser/deglosser to all doors, drawer front, & boxes to remove any dust, dirt,
grime, grease, or oils.
Sand all doors, drawers, & boxes using an electric sander to remove previous clear coat
finish, & small crevices by hand.
Chemical clean all doors, drawers, and boxes.
Apply solvent based high adhesion Surface primer then to apply a solid color premium,non-yellowing pre-catalyzed LAQUER with a satin/eggshell finish, exact SOLID color(s) to be chosen by owner.
Sanding between each coat to achieve a smooth fine finish, 2-3 coats will be applied by
spray. So I'm doing research on https://indoor2outdoor.com/best-paint-sprayers-for-cabinets/ .
Reinstall all doors & drawer fronts.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 1:56 am
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:43 am to
Just refinished some furniture and painted a board and batten wall using this exact advice from this board. I have a Rockler HVLP sprayer that is good for small jobs and I used it here. Zinsser BIN Shellac primer thinned with a little denatured alcohol to spray better. Then Sherman Williams Emerald Urethane thinned with a little water and the Sherman Williams version of Floetrol. It took a couple sprays to figure out the right consistency of primer and paint, but after that, it's a very smooth finish. I do woodworking on the side and would love to redo my cabinet doors, but we just paid 3k to have out kitchen repainted a year ago. I now have the confidence to paint new doors myself when I decide to do it.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
20028 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Sherman Williams


My now deceased friend use to make this mistake all the time. It's Sherwin Williams, by the way.

I use to dig at him and ask if Sherwin had a brother who also got into the paint business.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:06 am to
It really was an auto correct. I thought I fixed it. I must have missed the S, because it was originally corrected to Herman Williams .
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
20028 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

It really was an auto correct.


I hate auto correct. My stepdaughter is named Kristan and every time I type it before I hit send, it is underscored with red indicating it is not spelled correctly.
Posted by jmon
Loisiana
Member since Oct 2010
10281 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:12 pm to
We did this over the covid break last spring. Clean and degrease, two step sand (we had re-painted ours previously so I sanded down to wood in some trouble spots) and painted with Sherwin Williams Urethane Trim Enamel applied with sponge roller. Was an 8 hour process for the wife and I. Looks great and extremely durable finish (much better than we had previously).

ETA - doors were originally oil painted in 1991, we latex primed, painted and tea stained mid 2000's and back to almost the original color in 2020 .
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14592 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:47 pm to
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/painting-contractors/products/pro-industrial-precatalyzed-waterbased-urethane

Sand all the way down. Putty as needed. Remove and spray doors in your shop (or downstairs... not kitchen). Mask off and brush on the rest. Read up on sanding (ever so minimally) between coats. Buy really good brushes and paint brush-comb... this is water based and dry's hard....Enjoy.

You might consider updating hardware to some type of (slow) self closing hinges.


eta: of course primer before painting ... and ask paint store about any of this if in doubt
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 5:09 pm
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