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re: Electric Riding Lawn mower?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:14 pm to Bayou
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:14 pm to Bayou
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FYI...the EGO ZT battery set equates to 25 hp
They cost $250 per
You need 6 of them
$1500 to replace them all.
And what happens when EGO, greenworks, ryobi, etc decide to change their batteries due to new tech and the ones you need are no longer available?
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Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:05 pm to danny d lsu
I’ll stick with my internal combustion engine as long as I can.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:01 am to NPComb
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Tried a ZT Electric Hustler 10 years ago. It was rated for an acre on one charge IIRC. It couldn't finish .5 acre
The Hustler Zeon was before it’s time and battery tech was not ready.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:24 am to bbvdd
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And what happens when EGO, greenworks, ryobi, etc decide to change their batteries due to new tech and the ones you need are no longer available
This is a valid point.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:45 am to redstick13
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And what happens when EGO, greenworks, ryobi, etc decide to change their batteries due to new tech and the ones you need are no longer available
This is a valid point.
No it isn't.
What happens when Cub Cadet and John Deere change their design due to new tech? Do they quit supporting the old mowers? How about any appliance ever made? they don't just stop supporting their older models.
Why would they quit selling the old battery?
i know why they might quit selling it, b/c the new battery is compatible with their older tools, making that old battery obsolete.
If it's not compatible with it, then they'll keep making that old battery until there isn't a demand for it anymore that keeps it profitable for them, and if they do quit making it while there's still a demand for it, then some chinese company will sell the exact same battery on Amazon that you can get.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:15 am to TeddyPadillac
Take a breath. I'm not saying they won't be available but it's not unprecedented for the entire design to change and it becomes a hassle to find the older designs.
Look at the 16v/18v Dewalt tech and the new 20v tech. Completely incompatible.
Look at the 16v/18v Dewalt tech and the new 20v tech. Completely incompatible.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:25 am to danny d lsu
I heard the direct drive motors for the blades can't take any kind of abuse. So if you have any type of tree roots in your yard you will be looking at replacing motors.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:33 am to redstick13
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Look at the 16v/18v Dewalt tech and the new 20v tech. Completely incompatible.
You are correct, they are incompatible.
And if you wanted to buy that 18V Dewalt battery, you still can, so what's your point?
I wouldn't consider ordering it off of Amazon a hassle.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:52 am to danny d lsu
I have an EGO electric push mower and other tools. Its awesome, I will never, ever, go back to gas for a push/self-propelled mower.
I've done some research on battery powered riding mowers. My conclusion is you can go battery now for mowing less than an acre and you will be fine if your yard is mostly flat/level. Anything larger and I'm not sure electric makes sense right now. And this is ok, electric is still awesome for many other uses.
I've done some research on battery powered riding mowers. My conclusion is you can go battery now for mowing less than an acre and you will be fine if your yard is mostly flat/level. Anything larger and I'm not sure electric makes sense right now. And this is ok, electric is still awesome for many other uses.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
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so what's your point?
Battery tech is continuously improving and it's less likely to see performance improvements on the obsolete stuff. I have 4 acres to cut so if I purchased a battery powered ZRT today there's a risk that I'll never be able to mow my property in one charge with that product.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And if you wanted to buy that 18V Dewalt battery, you still can, so what's your point?
in fairness this isn't exactly apples to apples. 18V dewalt had super wide adoption. sold at least 10s of millions, if not hundreds. electric riding mower batteries not nearly as widely adopted, and in much greater need of advancement given their current limitations. it's not if your batteries are rendered obsolete but when. anyone investing in this tech now should be mindful of that eventuality.
also comparing to combustible motor tech obsolescence isn't helpful. very easy to repair any ic motor and its components. with proper maintenance and ability to repair, an ic motor can run for decades. battery systems aren't designed to be repaired (and you can't repair a depleted battery).
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:58 pm to redstick13
batteries dont have to provide complications even if technology changes.
batteries provide a voltage to a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. With changing battery technology comes different charging requirements. IF a manufacturer wants, there is no reason they can't produce new tech batteries in the same form factor to work with older tools. The only additional change required would be the need for a new charger to go with the new batteries.
Will manufacturers do this? Hard to say. Battery tech is still far from refined at this point and improvements in design and form factors are constant.
batteries provide a voltage to a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. With changing battery technology comes different charging requirements. IF a manufacturer wants, there is no reason they can't produce new tech batteries in the same form factor to work with older tools. The only additional change required would be the need for a new charger to go with the new batteries.
Will manufacturers do this? Hard to say. Battery tech is still far from refined at this point and improvements in design and form factors are constant.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 1:40 pm to redstick13
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I have 4 acres to cut so if I purchased a battery powered ZRT today there's a risk that I'll never be able to mow my property in one charge with that product.
and this product really isn't for you with that much property, at least not yet. I don't think anyone has designed one for that much acreage.
This product wasn't really viable for the guy with an average large residential yard until recently.
Just like it wasn't really a viable option 10 years ago for your blower or weed eater, but today its great for that.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:23 pm to redstick13
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Battery tech is continuously improving and it's less likely to see performance improvements on the obsolete stuff. I have 4 acres to cut so if I purchased a battery powered ZRT today there's a risk that I'll never be able to mow my property in one charge with that product.
Then get what you want.
Don't slam electric mowers just because you have no use for them. They serve many uses.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:26 pm to lsujro
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also comparing to combustible motor tech obsolescence isn't helpful. very easy to repair any ic motor and its components. with proper maintenance and ability to repair, an ic motor can run for decades. battery systems aren't designed to be repaired (and you can't repair a depleted battery).
What needs repairing? No gas, no carb, no oil, no fuel line/filter, no pull cord, etc.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:36 pm to Bayou
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Don't slam electric mowers just because you have no use for them. They serve many uses.
I never once slammed electric mowers during this discussion. Unless raising questions about their possible shortcomings is considered derogatory.Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:45 pm to Bayou
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What needs repairing? No gas, no carb, no oil, no fuel line/filter, no pull cord, etc.
the computer and sensors that control everything, that you know will malfunction, and that you can't fix. You know, just like your car now a days.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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the computer and sensors that control everything, that you know will malfunction, and that you can't fix. You know, just like your car now a days.
Via wifi those are updated to meet current technologies.
Can it go wrong? I suppose...like any other screen based item
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:03 pm to Bayou
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What needs repairing?
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it broke down a second time from "motherboard" failure, as I was told, in less than 21 total work hours after getting it back from warranty from wheel locking up.
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Worked great for a year and now the charger and mower are dead, completely bricked. Service is a disaster.
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Our lcd screen broke at 8 hours old, less than a month after it was in hand.
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Stopped working after two mowings, terrible outcome for such an expensive piece of equipment
Let's not pretend things can't go wrong on electric mowers.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:27 pm to DMAN1968
I can look up 1 star comments for most anything
Look, get what you want but educate yourself
Look, get what you want but educate yourself
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