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Can LSU Ag Center (or some other org) help me develop a maintenance calendar for my lawn?

Posted on 1/15/20 at 1:52 pm
Posted by vemnox
Member since Oct 2003
57 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 1:52 pm
Hey H&G,
I built my house here in Prairieville back in March '18 and seeded the whole lot with Zoysia grass. It grew in pretty quickly but I am clearly failing in the maintenance department, as my weed problem is absolutely absurd. The lots bordering mine look great while my lawn looks like I am purposefully trying to grow weeds.
I want to learn more about what products to apply and when so it's as simple as buy/apply when the calendar says to (and, of course, spot treat other issues).

I have tried reading the literature online but find local Louisiana-specific advice is hard to come by. I've spent a few hours on the Ag Center stuff online, but get overwhelmed quickly.

What I'm looking for is to see if the Ag Center offers any kind of service (obviously I'd pay) for someone to come out and give me advice specific to my lawn. If not the Ag Center, are there any advisable private companies that might help and not charge an outrageous price?

Again, I'm just looking for customized advice not the actual work to be done.

I appreciate ya'll's tips!
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5833 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 2:48 pm to
It won't be over night but the Randy Lemmon schedule has worked wonders for my yard. It took about a full year to show results, but my yard went from junk to not a single weed this winter just by following his calendar. He believes in weed control through fertilization and pre-emergent.

I think he is located in Texas, so his seasons/temps are close to ours in S LA.

LINK
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
12096 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 2:56 pm to
^^^^ this
Posted by vemnox
Member since Oct 2003
57 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:25 am to
Great thanks so much!! This is perfect. Just one question:

He says
Late March-Early April - apply slow-release 3-1-2 ratio fertilizers.
Recommended formulations:
19-4-10 Nitro Phos Super Turff
18-4-6 Fertilome Southwest Greenmaker
18-0-6 Fertilome's Zero Phosphate Formula
15-5-10 Southwest Fertilizer Premium Gold
20-0-10 Bonide Premium Lawn Food

Which of these 5 am I supposed to use? Any of them?
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 11:29 am
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5833 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:50 am to
For the 3-1-2 I buy from Lowe's and have it shipped:

LINK


For Pre-Emergent I use this:

LINK


For Fall Fertilization I use this:

LINK


Get a Scott's push spreader and stick to the schedule, and this time next year you will have the best lawn in your neighborhood.
Posted by vemnox
Member since Oct 2003
57 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:06 pm to
You are THE MAN thank you!

I do have a spreader already but I think I'm going to opt for the Prodiamine liquid application kind based on some reading. I can also get a big jug that'll last me a good 2 years.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:25 pm to
LSU AgCenter doesn’t have a great lawn maintenance calendar in its pubs but does have great info available - glad you’ve gone to their website - but don’t let the info overwhelm you. Don’t make it any more complicated than it needs to be. But I like this calendar from Auburn University for south AL that is applicable to your Prairieville location. Zoysiagrass lawn maintenance calendar

SiteOne Landcaping Supply in the Industrialplex on Exchequer (off of Siegen Lane) has a great 1 page lawn maintenance calendar for each grass type for free and I think is what you are looking for, and they’ll have Lesco fertilizer and herbicide supplies (pre-emergent granular herbicides) at great prices. Post-emergent herbicides are best bought in smaller quantities at retail plant nurseries or hardware stores - in your area I’ll usually buy at LA Nursery on LA 42.

Since you stated that weeds are your biggest problem apply pre-emergent herbicide in mid-Feb and mid-September. I use Lesco Dimension granular (dithiopyr), Many use Barricade (prodiamine) - the Lesco granular prodiamine is called Stonewall. Both are good. Pre-emergent herbicides are weed control game-changers.

Follow the calendar for lawn fertilization. I use Lesco controlled release 24-2-11. Apply post-emergent herbicides for existing weeds year round as needed. Easier to control weeds when they are young. Follow the H&G for suggestions throughout the year. I primarily use Atrazine, Fertilome Weed-Free-Zone, MSM Turf, and Celsius as post emergents for broadleaf weeds and Sedgehammer for sedges (nutsedge). Always use spreader-sticker (surfactant) when mixing your post-emergent herbicide solutions.

Your AgCenter parish extension area agent Mariah Simoneaux will assist you and answer questions as needed LINK.

Lastly, be patient and persistent, you are not going get it all under control in one year. Cut your Zoysia at the recommended height, fertilizer properly and apply herbicides and you’ll see dramatic improvement in 2 or 3 years.

ETA: it would be a good idea to pull soil samples from your lawn and have them analyzed by the AgCenter - $10 per sample. Postage free, mail-in soil sample boxes are available at local independent retail plant nurseries. Instructions will be in the box. When you obtain the results if there are any soil deficiencies that need correction, instructions will be provided. Usually a lot of soil is moved around in new home construction and grading thereafter brings weed seed to the surface.




This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 3:37 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79069 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:58 pm to
Texas A&M has a great program for this; particularly soil related. I've send both soil and weed samples to them a few years back and they really helped me get on a program.

I'll see if I can track down an old email or phone number if you're interested.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7232 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:58 pm to
Anyone throwing down some 2-4D on weeds right now? St Aug main species
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Anyone throwing down some 2-4D on weeds right now? St Aug main species

You can apply 2,4-D containing herbicides now for post-emergent broadleaf weed control.
Posted by Purpleblooded
Member since Dec 2019
580 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:59 am to
What about lawns with Centipede? Can you follow Randy Lemon?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

What about lawns with Centipede? Can you follow Randy Lemon?

I follow University/LSU AgCenter based recommendations on lawn management care. I checked Lemons webpage, appears he’s from Houston, which would be on the same latitude as New Orleans. He has some good info on his website but it is interesting his lawn grass types does not include centipede which is widely planted in the South, including my front yard lawn.

In regards to lawn fertilization the AgCenter would not recommend fertilization 4 times per year for centipede, and not as early as late-Feb/early March as is recommended on his website. Centipede,fertilize twice per year, with 1/2 pound nitrogen (N) per 1000 ft2 in late March/early April (after you need to cut your lawn twice it should be ready for fertilization), with a second application of 1/2 lb of N in late June/early July if you think it is necessary. Centipede requires 1/2 the amount of N fertilizer as recommended St Aug, Bermudagrass and Zoysia per application, and excess fertilization of centipede can weaken the lawn long-term. St Aug and Bermudagrass love N fertilizer and respond well to it, but not Centipede. I don’t have much knowledge of Zoysia other than what I read.

Also, looking at Randy Lemmons calendar I think his recommendation for fall pre-emergent herbicide application is a is about a month late for south Louisiana, at least the BR area, but the further south you are located, like Houston, the later pre-emergents can it can be applied in the fall. Otherwise, his calendar looks OK.

As an aside, I usually contact Dr. Ron Strahan, LSU AgCenter weed control specialist and professor in late winter and very early fall to verify recommended timing for application of lawn pre-emergent herbicides for the Baton Rouge area - it can vary a little bit based on weather patterns and resulting soil temperature, and their effects on the anticipated time of weed seed germination.
Posted by Purpleblooded
Member since Dec 2019
580 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:46 pm to
Is there a website like Lemons for University/LSU Ag that details it all?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Is there a website like Lemons for University/LSU Ag that details it all?

AgCenter doesn’t have a good one that I’m aware of - I’ve looked. But I think this one for centipede from Auburn U. for central and south AL is good, but I’d move the spring fertilization recommendation from May to April for southern LA. Otherwise, everything else is spot on.

LINK
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
4716 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

t won't be over night but the Randy Lemmon schedule has worked wonders for my yard.


Word.
Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:41 am to
Thanks for all of the great information in this thread! I will start one of the schedules on my centepede asap.

I hope this isn't a dumb question but I am struggling with weeds in both my lawn and my flower beds. Can I apply the same fertilzer & herbicides in these schedules to my flower beds?

I'm required to have the flower beds for my HOA :-( and they contain normal shrubs like azaleas, rose bushes, boxwoods, monkey grass, 2 magnolia trees, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know the names of.

A few other questions?
- Anyone try newspaper for weed management in their flower beds?
- I have a lot of crabgrass - will these herbicides in these schedules take care of crabgrass?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Can I apply the same fertilzer & herbicides in these schedules to my flower beds?

Usually different formulations of fertilizers and herbicides are used in landcape beds than in the lawn. Landcape bed fertlizers have higher levels of P than lawn fertlizers and usually lowers levels of N. If in the Baton Rouge or Mandeville area I’d suggest LESCO 14-14-14 Polycoat from Site One Landcape Supply for landscape beds (what I use) and if not Fertilome Growers Special is a good landscape bed fertlizer - retail plant centers/hardware stores. Herbicide - I usually use glyphosate (“generic” roundup) and spot spray weeds in landcape beds. You can also use pre-emergent herbicides in landscape beds to control any annual weeds but not perennial weeds.

quote:

Anyone try newspaper for weed management in their flower beds?

You can if you want - no problem with using it to smother weeds - covered by a thick layer of mulch, I prefer pine straw 3 or 4 inches thick. Mulch is very important for weed suppression (plus other benefits).

quote:

I have a lot of crabgrass - will these herbicides in these schedules take care of crabgrass?

Key to control crabgrass is to apply a pre-emergent herbicide in early to mid-Feb (south LA) - prodiamine (Barricade) or dithiopyr (Dimension). Dimension has the added advantage of killing young crabgrass after the seeds germinate if you by chance miss you application date - don’t miss your application date. Crabgrass seeds germinate at soil temperature of 55 F. They’ll be numerous threads on this board on late winter pre-emergents in late Jan/early Feb.

P.S. helps to know the general location where you live (city) when seeking advice when to apply lawn chemicals and many can provide suggestions where to find/buy them.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 11:34 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45741 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:30 am to
quote:

For the 3-1-2 I buy from Lowe's and have it shipped:

LINK


For Pre-Emergent I use this:

LINK


For Fall Fertilization I use this:

LINK


Get a Scott's push spreader and stick to the schedule, and this time next year you will have the best lawn in your neighborhood.

I follow this and my yard is boss of the neighborhood. I had a ring in the front yard you can see. Applied a soil conditioner and a fungicide to it and now it's gone. But that schedule is rock solid. My yard looks better than ever.



Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:34 am to
quote:

P.S. helps to know the general location where you live (city) when seeking advice when to apply lawn chemicals and many can provide suggestions where to find/buy them.
Thanks CrawDude! Sorry to not include my location - first post on this board. I'm in Gonzales.

I went to LA Nursery in early August to try and get some help, and they sold me:
- Fertilome Azelea/Evergreen Food Plus with Systemic (9-15-3)
- Fertilome Tree & Shrub (19-8-10)
- Hi-Yield Turf & Ornamental Weed & Grass Stopper (with Dimension)

I put the Fertilome down on the flower beds and the plants did appear to respond. In the future and if I keep using the fertilome product(s), should I follow the recomendatons in this thread and put 2 applications in April & July? I'm guessing this would be at the same time as the lawn application? Or do I fertize my flower beds more often?

For the Dimension - should I also put a fall application in October? I'll be checking this board in late Jan to start thinking about the Feb application - sounds like this is the key to stop my mysery :)

Also - I have a bag of Hi-Yield Crabgrass (that contains Benefin/Trifluralin). It sounds like it is quick-acting vs Dimension being long-acting. Does it make sense to blend these products so I get both the quick-acting & long-lasting effects? Not sure I even know what this means but I hate to waste stuff and I'm frugal :)
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:48 pm to
Gonzales - good, consider buying your fertilizers and pre-emergent herbicide at Site One Landcape Supply in BR b/c the cost savings are substantial - and I shop at at LA Nursery and Cleggs - and the Fertilome products they recommended to you are very good ones and I used those prior to switching only to save $. The LESCO products are excellent as well.

I fertilize trees in Feb, shrubs in March (often a second application in May/June if the plants are young and I’m trying to push growth). Centipede lawn fertilized the first week of April, with a second application in June.

Yes - apply a fall lawn application of Dimension (or Prodiamine) in the next week if possible - I applied mine yesterday. I use to have a major annual Poa annua and crabgrass problems - began using Dimension pre-emergent 3 years ago and for all practical purposes eliminated those 2 weeds.

You can use your benefin/trifluralin as well - maybe use it this fall if you have enough for the entire yard and the Dimension in Feb. you could prob mix, but I’m not sure, You don’t want to over apply, or just treat side yards with benefin/trifluralin for fall and spring to use it up.

Let me provide some pricing on Site One granular products I use and you can compare, per lb, with the Fertilome products.

LESCO 14-14-14, 40 lbs @$33 (shrubs, trees, perennials)
LESCO Dimension 0-0-7, 50 lbs @ $33 (lawn pre-emergent)
LESCO Stonewall (Prodiamine), 50 lbs @ $24 (lawn pre-emergent)
LESCO 24-2-11 or 15-5-15 for lawn fertilizer, 50 lbs @ $26.

Lastly, to save even more $ to stretch your lawn care budget, consider using the spray version of Prodiamine 65 WDG pre-emergent - I switched to it this fall on advice from this board - cost is cheaper per 1000 sq ft than the granular, but personally I find granular products easier/less cumbersome to apply.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 2:09 pm
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