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Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:03 pm to
The last four years we've had raised beds, but we ripped them out and decided to just plant the whole thing this year. Still another month until I can get stuff in the ground here, but we finally had dry enough weather for long enough that I could till the garden. I hate fighting my little Mantis tiller, but it does the job. Got the winter cover crop all tilled in plus a few piles of compost I had.

Got my 10 month old out in the garden today for the first time. Figure you gotta start them young. He'd rather eat the dirt than help move it around, but he'll be helping me soon enough.

Question: As you can see, the garden is on a hill. Do I want the rows to go N/S to go with drainage, or E/W against the drainage? I leaning towards E/W, but I'm open to suggestions. I figure against the drainage will keep it from eroding out channels, but I'm also worried the E/W might hold too much moisture.






Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:24 pm to
Planted everything out today. I dropped two of my cucumber start pots, so I lost four plants. Annoying but I just planted out 4 and direct sowed some more. The only thing I have left to plant are a couple of pepper plants in my fence box and okra. Any suggestions for some small pepper plants I can put in my fence box? I’ve got a topped Hungarian hot wax, a topped Jimmy nardello, and 2 redskins. I need 2 more. Preferably that I can buy from the feed store.

Pillage, when did you transplant your okra last year? I waited until the end of April and I feel like that was too late.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:33 pm to
I think it was around May. Which is probably what I’ll do this year. But I didn’t transplant, I direct sowed.

Heck, you could probably get away with planting them in July.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

Do I want the rows to go N/S to go with drainage, or E/W against the drainage? I leaning towards E/W, but I'm open to suggestions. I figure against the drainage will keep it from eroding out channels, but I'm also worried the E/W might hold too much moisture.


Someone else may have a different opinion, but personally I’d go with the slope. I don’t know where you’re located. But if you get as much rain as I normally do, you’d opt for the better drainage.

ETA: My wife was looking over my shoulder and saw the pics of your little boy and:
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 9:42 pm
Posted by BallsEleven
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:59 pm to
Got my tomatoes moved and pulled the carrots and broccoli. The boys had a blast pulling up those carrots.

I’m still waiting on my garlic to finish up. I also went ahead and put my Tabasco plants in some pots. Probably next week I will start working getting other proper plants in the ground.

Posted by geauxcats10
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:24 pm to
UPDATE:

I built a raised bed with 2x10’s and 2x4’s

Added horse manure, peat moss, some old hay and top soil and mixed it all together.


I’m ready to plant but don’t know about going to do it.
My daughter wants Blueberries for sure
I would like some lettuce, cucumbers and cherry tomatoes...

I don’t know if this is all possible on this one bed.
If it isn’t the only thing that’s a must is Blueberries.

Located in St. Amant.

Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:56 pm to
The bed looks great.

I’ve never grown them, but I know that blueberries like really acidic soil. You may be able to get away with growing them in close proximity to the others you mentioned, but I think it would be tough.

You’re really past the effective cutoff to grow lettuce. It’ll bolt/flower before you can harvest much. When it bolts, it tastes really bitter.

You’re at the perfect time to plant cherry tomatoes/tomatoes and cucumbers, though. You could pick up some seedlings at your local feed store or nursery and put them in the ground tomorrow if you’d like. Now is also a good time to plant peppers and eggplant. You can google the LSU ag vegetable planting guide to get an idea of what to grow when. We really have 2 growing seasons down here. I’ve been planting both spring (now) and fall (septemberish) crops of tomatoes and cucumbers. As long as they stay healthy, there’s really no need to replant peppers in the fall. They’ll produce all through summer until freeze, though some slow down a bit in the heat of summer. Okra and eggplant both grow really well in the heat of summer too.

It’s really useful to let LSU test your soil, but with the turnaround time I’d just go ahead and plant them worry about all that later.

eta: just saw you are in St. Amant. Go to Clegg’s nursery. They have tons of varieties of all kinds of spring vegetables and they’re super helpful.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Stateguy
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:04 pm to
typed my questions and then away from my computer for 2 days

No heat mat under plants. Just on a table in enclosed garage. Not really a grow light either, just the garage lights

Will try to hydrogen peroxide and be sure to not overwater.

will try small fan also

My seed starting ability looks poor. looks like I may be hitting up OKeefe's in Covington again for tomatoes and peppers
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Just on a table in enclosed garage. Not really a grow light either, just the garage lights


That’s your issue right there. They’re just not getting enough light. You really need a dedicated grow light for the plants that you can keep close to the tops of the plants, whether it’s LED or otherwise.

My seedlings also always develop a little bit of mold on the surface of the dirt. I use plastic pots though as opposed to peat. I just think it’s because of the environment in a house. It’s never caused me any major issues. You can spray the pots and the surface of the dirt with neem oil and water mixed per label suggestions and it’ll knock it back for a few days. As long as you don’t see fungus gnats flying around or the plant leaves looking ratty, I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

I stopped by O’Keefe’s last week and I pass by every day on my way to work. They have a ton of vegetable starts right now and are getting more in every other day it seems. Good time to go.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted by BallsEleven
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:16 pm to
Now is the perfect time to put them outside. Mild temps all week and looks like it will be cloudy and rainy so they shouldn’t get to fried in the sun.
Posted by BallsEleven
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:21 pm to
2nd on waiting on the lettuce. Fall will be a good time but now is perfect for the cucumber and tomato.

I have 4 blueberry bushes and if I were you, I would set up a separate bed for them. The other plants you will be taking out and replanting throughout the year. Blueberries are there for the long haul. And like previously mentioned, they like acidic soil so it’s best to keep that separate.

Also, look into getting a blackberry Bush. My boys love the blueberry bushes but for whatever reason go nuts for the black berry. Real cheap at Lowe’s or local nurseries.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:23 pm to
Balls ( ), how much do your 4 blueberry bushes produce? I wouldn’t mind having a couple in my yard but I’m not sure about sizing/how many I would need.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted by BallsEleven
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:44 pm to
Haha the first plane I was assigned to in the AF had a serial number of 0011 so of course it was name Balls Eleven. Naturally there are drawings of dicks all over the backside of the paneling throughout that plane. Pull off an engine panel? Bam! Penis and balls.

So last spring I put them in a bad spot on the north side of my house and thought they would get more sun. Not so much so I just moved them. Even though they were limited last year I feel like I’ll get a pretty good amount this year, mostly from the 2 that got most of the sun. I’ll probably be able tell you more next year but if I had to guess, I’ll get 3 gallons between the 2 main bushes and maybe another half gallon from the other 2. They all have a lot of growing to do as the tallest one may be 2 ft tall.

I have 1 of each of Jubilee, Misty, O’Neal, and Sunshine. I got them all from Stark Brothers.

Sunshine is the smallest, biggest producer (had the most sun last year though), and the prettiest. Lots of leaves and looks the best of the 4.

The misty is my largest and produces as much as the sunshine. Not as much foliage as the sunshine.

Jury is still out on the rest. I’m hoping with the full sun, some of the others will fill out and produce more next year.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:30 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:29 am to
As someone else said, plant the blueberries somewhere besides you're raised bed. Also make sure you are getting a blueberry variety that is better suited for the deep south that can handle low-chill hours. Some blueberries desire cross pollination for maximum fruit output, while others can self pollinate more easily. If you get one that needs cross-pollination, then make sure you plant a couple of other types around it.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:13 am to
Looks like my phone is spying on me again.

This came up in my recommended videos on YouTube. Pretty neat idea on dealing with leggy tomato plants.

How to successfully deal with leggy tomato seedlings
Posted by bluemoons
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:49 am to
Here are some photos of my main raised bed and bags. Cucumber box and my random fence box haven't been completely planted out yet. Irrigation lines also haven't been set yet. The empty spaces are for 8 okra plants.









This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:51 am
Posted by CrawDude
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to
quote:

As you can see, the garden is on a hill. Do I want the rows to go N/S to go with drainage, or E/W against the drainage? I leaning towards E/W, but I'm open to suggestions.

Good looking garden, boy, and rain gauge.

I’d also be inclined to go N-S for drainage, and you could also put some straw bales at the top along the fence to slow runoff to mitigate erosion if that is an issue, and use the old bales as mulch or soil incorporate into the garden at the end of the growing season. You could also change row orientation next year to E-W should usually find erosion to be an issue.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:38 am
Posted by CrawDude
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:34 am to
quote:

I don’t know if this is all possible on this one bed. If it isn’t the only thing that’s a must is Blueberries. Located in St. Amant.

Being in St Amant you likely don’t have sufficiently acidic soils (pH 4.5 - 5.5) for blueberries for ground planting without addition of elemental sulfur to acidify the soil. It’s a slow process taking several months.

I’m growing blueberries in a 1/2 doz 15 gallon black poly nursery trade containers - works well. In fact, I’m going to move them into 30 gallon containers this fall. Planting medium is 50% garden mix (“top soil”), which is just composted tree bark/limbs and sand for weight, and 50% sphagnum moss - which provides the soil acidity blueberries need. Osmocote fertilizer, supplemented monthly with an acid forming water soluble fertilizer. These are LSU AgCenter recommendations based on research trials at the Hammond Research Station.

You could a build a second raised bed a foot high, and fill with the same planting mix. Blueberries are shallow rooted shrubs. If you want to soil plant blueberries get soil samples from the planting area, have analyzed by the AgCenter for a blueberry recommendation and they’ll provide you the proper sulfur recommendation to lower the pH. Do that this spring and the bed would be ready for blueberries planting this fall.

Rabbit eye blueberries are recommended for our area, and you need at least 2 varieties (cultivars) for cross pollination. Premier, Climax, Brightwell,Tifblue are often found in retail plant nurseries, and their are a few other rabbiteye cultivars.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:41 pm to
Looks great, bluemoons

Is that marigolds next to some of your plants?
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 3:24 pm to
Thanks. Yep. I originally bought a couple to try to companion plant near tomatoes and squash to see if it helps anything. They’re laid out how they are because of sun positioning. I felt they’d get shaded out between the plants.
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