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re: What would SARMs do for a 40 year old female
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:42 pm to TigerGrad2011
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:42 pm to TigerGrad2011
Here's my dissenting opinion:
At 40 with no background of athleticism or being fit..probably has low muscle mass and high body fat percentage, hormones are probably out of whack, body's ability to partition nutrients is probably all fricked up, etc. Virtually every piece of the puzzle for fixing her fricked up body composition is broken.
Muscles are so small that her TDEE is low even with exercise, causing her deficit calorie numbers to be depressingly low and with no margin for error aka life getting in the way sometimes.
Hormones and partitioning are so messed up that her recovery is stunted, so instead of making positive progress in resistance training she probably feels weaker and more worn down, especially throwing a deficit on top of that.
To steal a Dave Ramsey analogy, people in this kind of situation have a log jam. Their bodies are so resistant to improving through diet and exercise that they need to throw some dynamite in there to clear the jam and get things moving again.
A female-safe SARM stack will give her an anabolic boost the likes of which her body has never before experienced, inclining her body to build and maintain muscle and burn fat which is a reversal of what her body wants to do left up to its own devices. Her TDEE will be higher, her nutrient partitioning will be better, her protein synthesis will be better, her rest and recovery will be more productive, she will feel stronger and more energized in workouts and that helps create a positive feedback loop.
And the worst thing that could realistically happen with an Ostarine+Andarine stack is she starts seeing early signs of androgenization like acne and can discontinue use. These are 24 hour or less half life substances. If there's any unwanted side effects they'll be gone within days of stopping.
At 40 with no background of athleticism or being fit..probably has low muscle mass and high body fat percentage, hormones are probably out of whack, body's ability to partition nutrients is probably all fricked up, etc. Virtually every piece of the puzzle for fixing her fricked up body composition is broken.
Muscles are so small that her TDEE is low even with exercise, causing her deficit calorie numbers to be depressingly low and with no margin for error aka life getting in the way sometimes.
Hormones and partitioning are so messed up that her recovery is stunted, so instead of making positive progress in resistance training she probably feels weaker and more worn down, especially throwing a deficit on top of that.
To steal a Dave Ramsey analogy, people in this kind of situation have a log jam. Their bodies are so resistant to improving through diet and exercise that they need to throw some dynamite in there to clear the jam and get things moving again.
A female-safe SARM stack will give her an anabolic boost the likes of which her body has never before experienced, inclining her body to build and maintain muscle and burn fat which is a reversal of what her body wants to do left up to its own devices. Her TDEE will be higher, her nutrient partitioning will be better, her protein synthesis will be better, her rest and recovery will be more productive, she will feel stronger and more energized in workouts and that helps create a positive feedback loop.
And the worst thing that could realistically happen with an Ostarine+Andarine stack is she starts seeing early signs of androgenization like acne and can discontinue use. These are 24 hour or less half life substances. If there's any unwanted side effects they'll be gone within days of stopping.
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:05 pm to The Pain Train
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If she is essentially just starting out and just wants to get fit, then putting her on SARMs right from the jump when she could make respectable "newbie gains" just from being disciplined with her training and diet is butt-fricking retarded.
Tell her to stop being so enamored with trying to get a body from a bottle and just focus on making a lifestyle change.
It’s not surprising and personal responsibility has never been her thing.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:11 pm to Huey Lewis
For someone who hasn't worked out before much, a solid beginner program and nutrition will break the logjam.
Also, point blank, none of this does anything without changing her diet and exercise. The second underlying issue is that how you train and eat with SARMS is not going to work when you stop SARMS. If she trains and eats the same when she cycles off, it's not going to work without the SARMS, which won't exactly help motivation.
Finally, the chances she has a good idea of cycle support to mitigate sides and a proper PCT planned seem to be zilch from OP's description. It's a recipe for disaster.
Also, point blank, none of this does anything without changing her diet and exercise. The second underlying issue is that how you train and eat with SARMS is not going to work when you stop SARMS. If she trains and eats the same when she cycles off, it's not going to work without the SARMS, which won't exactly help motivation.
Finally, the chances she has a good idea of cycle support to mitigate sides and a proper PCT planned seem to be zilch from OP's description. It's a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:24 pm to Rep520
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Rep520
For someone who hasn't worked out before much, a solid beginner program and nutrition will break the logjam.
There are out-of-shape newbies in every Planet Fitness around the world making good body comp changes without the use SARMs.
ETA: When the gyms are open, of course.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:58 pm to Huey Lewis
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And the worst thing that could realistically happen with an Ostarine+Andarine stack is she starts seeing early signs of androgenization like acne and can discontinue use. These are 24 hour or less half life substances. If there's any unwanted side effects they'll be gone within days of stopping.
I agree with some of what you said. But like rep520 said, a proper program and diet is going to blast that log jam wide open. 99% of non CrossFit females, non college athletes have never trained and ate properly....ever. that alone will fix 90% of the issues.
But her is my dissenting opinion from the portion I quoted....so you are saying a women that can't be trusted to do simple research on how to diet and train properly is to be trusted enough to do her own research and be smart enough to recognize the side effects of sarms fast enough to not cause permanent damage?? Get where I am coming from? Laughable to think she has that kind of responsibility in her.
I'm all for people using whatever they want so long as they do the research themselves and already understand how to train and diet properly.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:10 pm to Rep520
I generally agree with all of what you said but Ostarine is so mild that I think there's basically no down side and alot of potential up side.
A solid beginner program and nutrition will probably break the logjam if given enough time. But in practice people get discouraged when their metabolisms are so broken that they can watch weeks or even months go by with nothing to show for diet and exercise except soreness and fatigue.
A solid beginner program and nutrition will probably break the logjam if given enough time. But in practice people get discouraged when their metabolisms are so broken that they can watch weeks or even months go by with nothing to show for diet and exercise except soreness and fatigue.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:28 pm to The Pain Train
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There are out-of-shape newbies in every Planet Fitness around the world making good body comp changes without the use SARMs.
Exactly. It's like teaching someone to hunt for subsistence with an AR, then 4 weeks later, telling them all they can use is a bow and arrow.
The habits she develops with SARMS won't transfer to when she's without them. You're creating a 40 year old beginner who doesn't know how to train or diet without PED's. Even if she wants to, at what point does she develop any knowledge?
It's so unnecessary, too. If she's untrained and has done nothing with diet, basically any positive changes in those areas will get results.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:35 pm to Huey Lewis
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A solid beginner program and nutrition will probably break the logjam if given enough time
If this doesn't work/start to show some results there are likely other issues at play that require consulting medical professionals. In this scenario using SARMS or whatever would likely result in more harm than good.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:38 pm to TigerGrad2011
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She’s a mom trying to lose weight. Experience is minimal as she wasn’t an athlete of any sort and just started working out in the last couple of years. I mentioned it’s all about diet previously and got eye rolls
In this case- she needs to stick to the basics . 40 years old and just a couple of years of working out...... she should stay away from anything hormone related.
Simply put- she ain’t ready for that
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:41 pm to Huey Lewis
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A solid beginner program and nutrition will probably break the logjam if given enough time.
In my experience that is complete and utter bullshite. A 40 year old newbie can have an extreme transformation of she just stays consistent for 12 weeks.
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metabolisms are so broken
Where is the evidence of this?? It doesn't play out in studies, it's bs. Sure they may be leptin and insulin insensitive but a simple 4 week low carb approach fixes this and causes dramatic weight loss that helps in compliance for the next 8 weeks.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 3:14 pm to lsu777
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Where is the evidence of this?? It doesn't play out in studies, it's bs. Sure they may be leptin and insulin insensitive but a simple 4 week low carb approach fixes this and causes dramatic weight loss that helps in compliance for the next 8 weeks.
Women in their 40's are likely perimenopausal which is going to negatively impact their progesterone and thyroid hormones which is something men aren't generally dealing with when trying to get in shape later in life. On top of that they don't have the benefits of testosterone when it comes to seeing the results of diet and exercise.
I assume we all recognize how ineffective it would be to tell men with depressed testosterone levels to just focus harder on diet and workout programming as if macros and weights alone will overcome the deleterious effects of low test levels.
I don't know if this is the case for the OP's friend's wife obviously. I don't know the woman and haven't seen her blood work and have nothing to go by except a few snippets of info posted. But like I said earlier I consider Ostarine to be so safe and the feedback from users to be so positive that I don't see any substantial downside to giving it a try and seeing how she feels after a few weeks.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/18/20 at 3:32 pm to TigerGrad2011
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personal responsibility has never been her thing.
Until this changes, she's wasting her time. PED's don't do you any good that you won't undo with bad diet and exercise choices.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 4:20 pm to TigerGrad2011
Her clitoris is going to get huge. It'll look like she has a 2-3 in. little wang in her pants, no joke.
That aside, take this advice from someone with one of the greatest physiques of all time: eat clen, tren hard, test your limits, dbolish your haters, always winn, anavar give up!
All kidding aside, your wife is a moron and probably banging her personal trainer. SARMs are watered down pussy steroids and hardly any pros use them. If she's a doughy 40 year old woman, there ain't no magic liquid/pill that'll fix her. Give her a salad and tell her to hit the gym with an actual program, not just what some schmo at the local Planet Fitness comes up with that day.
That aside, take this advice from someone with one of the greatest physiques of all time: eat clen, tren hard, test your limits, dbolish your haters, always winn, anavar give up!
All kidding aside, your wife is a moron and probably banging her personal trainer. SARMs are watered down pussy steroids and hardly any pros use them. If she's a doughy 40 year old woman, there ain't no magic liquid/pill that'll fix her. Give her a salad and tell her to hit the gym with an actual program, not just what some schmo at the local Planet Fitness comes up with that day.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 5:12 pm to TigerGrad2011
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She’s a mom trying to lose weight. Experience is minimal as she wasn’t an athlete of any sort and just started working out in the last couple of years. I mentioned it’s all about diet previously and got eye rolls
Whoever is training her needs to be barred from the industry imo.
There is absolutely no reason or excuse to give a 40yo woman looking to lose some weight SARMs.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 5:14 pm to Huey Lewis
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Women in their 40's are likely perimenopausal which is going to negatively impact their progesterone and thyroid hormones which is something men aren't generally dealing with when trying to get in shape later in life. On top of that they don't have the benefits of testosterone when it comes to seeing the results of diet and exercise.
#1 a women at 40 is not very likely to be menopausal. That is still early
#2 one if the leading causes for thyroid issues in women is obesity. Guess what the number 1 cure for thyroid issues is? Weight loss. Go to Google scholar and look up the studies.
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I assume we all recognize how ineffective it would be to tell men with depressed testosterone levels to just focus harder on diet and workout programming as if macros and weights alone will overcome the deleterious effects of low test levels.
One of the leading causes of low test is obesity. And yes low test does make it a little harder to lose fat and especially build muscle but not that much for a beginner.
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But like I said earlier I consider Ostarine to be so safe and the feedback from users to be so positive that I don't see any substantial downside to giving it a try and seeing how she feels after a few weeks.
There is not much feedback from women. Very little. This women isn't responsible enough for that anyways.
If this was someone that had worked their arse off, well that would be different. But this is a beginner.
All the talk about thyroids, low test and metabolism is utter bullshite though. Study after study has shown the #1 cure for those is fat loss.
The huge meta analysis that was done on metabolism showed that the actual metabolism only slows 10 calories per decade on average, it's Non exercise activity thermogenesis that drops.
Performance enhancing drugs are not needed, she needs proper diet and training.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 5:25 pm to lsu777
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All the talk about thyroids, low test and metabolism is utter bullshite though. Study after study has shown the #1 cure for those is fat loss.
Even if thyroid issues are present they typically only account for a couple hundred calories/day in BMR even in autoimmune and severe cases. Where it really fricks people with bad thyroids is they're exhausted so exercise, exercise intensity, and even NEAT are reduced. Get medicated and the majority of that is fixed.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 5/18/20 at 6:19 pm to TigerGrad2011
Bruh this may be a good way to start laying some pipe if you want. Tel her husband she needs to throw it away. Go behind him and tell her she should use them and that her husband doesn’t appreciate her and just wants her to not look good. You’ll be banging her within hours.
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