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Paddy Murphy
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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer
Hey, it looks like The Johnny Pain website is back up, here's my old log

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9/25 Old Man GSLP 5 rep update

Bench 195
Press 147.5*
Squat 225
Dead 235

I have no idea why my press is so good relative to bench, did some singles this past Wednesday and got all the way up to 170.


Swagga
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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer
Bumping this.


Can someone explain to me the villain challenges? I’m supposed to do the burpee one but the link in the OP isn’t working for it.


lsu777
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Here, read the stuff in here

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Swagga
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Thank you, much appreciated.


Paddy Murphy
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11/1 Old Man GSLP 5 rep update

Bench 202.5*
Press 155*
Squat 230
Dead 260

my 5 rep presses both are hitting hard caps finally, so I switched to Greg Nuchols 3xweek medium volume template with training max = 220. I've added 3x5 135lb presses on day 3. Just finished week 4/day 2 this morning and will be testing max on Saturday when my son comes over to spot me. I'm dying to bench 225 like a real man!


Yeti_Chaser
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Supposedly JP has a new book coming out


lsu777
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Yea well he still owes me for LCI2 and a call with him for a year now. Heard that he has a new book plenty of times. He was supposed to release 2 new books in 2019 and the book this year


I'll believe it when I see it.


lsu777
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So dunno how many of yall follow JP on Instagram, but if you aren't, you should be.

If you have question on gslp, he does a q&a almost daily in his story in Instagram.

He gives out a shite ton of free info daily in there. When his new books comes out i highly encourage everyone to buy it. I wouldn't do one of the pre sale, but 100% would buy it once its out.

Honestly if you have benefited from the gslp and have been in this thread, you should buy it. Not only to support him, but because it will be his long awaited greyskull methods that will have a shite ton more info than any of the previous collections.

And its always better to get the info straight from the horses mouth than my interpretation.

Anyways, if you aren't following him, go do it.


Swagga
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Nice, just added him.


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Yeti_Chaser
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it will be his long awaited greyskull methods that will have a shite ton more info than any of the previous collections.


What makes you say this? I was worried it would be 90% old text and 10% new. I've been following his Q&As for a while and he always answers my question when I ask. Pretty funny stuff on there sometimes too


lsu777
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What makes you say this?


Well for one every edition has gotten much more comprehensive. He hasn't explained alot of the methods used outside of the LP and the powerbuilding methods and has stated in the Q & A sessions that all of that will be covered.


Boring
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Anyone had luck with Texas Method style cycling or “running it out” on GSLP once you get into intermediate territory?

I know there’s brief discussion of a “for powerlifting” template somewhere in the book and JP talks about simply rotating in a similar lift, but I can’t shake my love of hitting triples and big singles. I was thinking something like this for the squat, for example:

2x5, 1x5+ @ 315 (5,5,3)

Hit triples for a few sessions until...
4x3, 1x3+ @ 330 (3,3,3,3,2)

Doubles until...
7x2, 1x2+ @ 350 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,1)

Then starting back at whatever weight you got stuck at on 5s and running it back up until you hit another snag. It’s an idea I may frick around with.


burgeman
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What is JP's background, I have always wondered why his program is so popular. I enjoy it, just curious. Did he train some powerlifters?


Boring
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What is JP's background, I have always wondered why his program is so popular.


lsu777 can chime in with more detail and correct me where I'm wrong, but here's what I've gathered generally

- in the army for a bit
- got out and started doing personal training
- somehow got involved with CrossFit around the same time as Mark Rippetoe
- Rippetoe broke away and started doing his own thing (Starting Strength) and JP sorta followed along as one of the early Rippetoe disciples*
- JP was a moderator/coach/nutrition advisor on the Starting Strength forums until he and Rippetoe had a falling out*
- JP started his own little cult but never quite got a handle on branding and marketing
- I don't know who (if anyone) he has trained that has gone on to be a successful athlete (powerlifter, CrossFitter, football player whatever)

It's my personal opinion that the dude's life is a mess and he's a charlatan of sorts. Pumping out a lot of regurgitated e-books, sometimes they focus on training, sometimes on random life advice, sometimes on how to play Billy Badass out in the skreets. I can't deny that his program is effective, but he's flaky...he'll be running full steam, pushing out books, active on forums, doing some coaching and then just drop off the face of the earth for a little while only to pop back up asking for money or promising some big new life-changing material coming out that ultimately doesn't come to fruition. The last thing I saw him trying to get started was some (again, undefined and and ambiguous) social movement called BLACK GOD, WHITE DEVIL or some shite.

*A lot of these notable "coaches" seem to have cults of personality that develop around them, then inevitably the followers turn against the person/their method and it's considered worthless over night. Rippetoe goes through groups of people like this (JP, Feigenbaum, Baraki, hell maybe even Wendler for a time, Alan Thrall) then he'll bring along a fresh new crop (Chase Lindley, Bre, Rusty, Nick Delgadillo). Jim Wendler just pissed off a bunch of people because he outed himself as too "right-wing" and got demonetized or shadow-banned or something from several platforms.

tl;dr - if the program is proven effective (SS, GSLP, 531 all are), don't worry too much about the man behind it...familiarity breeds contempt, after all


lsu777
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lsu777 can chime in with more detail and correct me where I'm wrong, but here's what I've gathered generally

- in the army for a bit
- got out and started doing personal training
- somehow got involved with CrossFit around the same time as Mark Rippetoe
- Rippetoe broke away and started doing his own thing (Starting Strength) and JP sorta followed along as one of the early Rippetoe disciples*
- JP was a moderator/coach/nutrition advisor on the Starting Strength forums until he and Rippetoe had a falling out*
- JP started his own little cult but never quite got a handle on branding and marketing
- I don't know who (if anyone) he has trained that has gone on to be a successful athlete (powerlifter, CrossFitter, football player whatever)


Pretty much. He was 82nd airborne in the army and did some off the grid work later and some training for that.

Started as one of the original cf coaches and was a starting strength guy. Was stupid close to rip. As usual rip got pissy because JP suggested people push the last set to failure during resets. Something Starr taught both Rip and Jp from old York days. Eventually Rip got pissed and told JP he was no longer a mod or a nutrition coach for them and he needed to leave. There was already a riff forming over nutrition advice cause Mark pushes GOMAD and doesn't give a frick if people get fat so long as they get stronger.

Anyways JP started Strenght Villian and was kicking as pumping out books on the different methods starting with GSLP. He wrote the famous why i resigned from crossfit article that got him a lot of notoriety, with his main gripe about coaches not knowing shite and not having to get certified. This was before CF required testing to become a coach. Then he wrote 8 ways to unfrick your CF gym and that got him a ton of attention.

Anyways he later came out with blue print to beast and principles of violence branching away from S&C and trying to be more of a life coach. Didnt work out very well and he lost sight of his roots for a while.

He took a job locally in Philly, something to do with the VA and started having some big time personal problems, divorced and some other shite.

He never really had a cult like Rip and some others, wener never did either. Just basic good programming. Johnny just goes off grid for a long time when he has personal problems and has burned people and people have trust problems with him.

He is trying to earn that trust back and is slowly but gonna take a while.

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A lot of these notable "coaches" seem to have cults of personality that develop around them, then inevitably the followers turn against the person/their method and it's considered worthless over night. Rippetoe goes through groups of people like this (JP, Feigenbaum, Baraki, hell maybe even Wendler for a time, Alan Thrall) then he'll bring along a fresh new crop (Chase Lindley, Bre, Rusty, Nick Delgadillo). Jim Wendler just pissed off a bunch of people because he outed himself as too "right-wing" and got demonetized or


Well rip has a cult, but the others not really. People leave cause many are always looking for next best thing.


As far as who JP or Wendler have trained, nobody famous, they just provide good solid programming that works. They deal with alot of younger athletes and not on recruiting and training PL and CF athletes.

His program is popular because it works.


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lsu777
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Anyone had luck with Texas Method style cycling or “running it out” on GSLP once you get into intermediate territory?

I know there’s brief discussion of a “for powerlifting” template somewhere in the book and JP talks about simply rotating in a similar lift, but I can’t shake my love of hitting triples and big singles. I was thinking something like this for the squat, for example:

2x5, 1x5+ @ 315 (5,5,3)

Hit triples for a few sessions until...
4x3, 1x3+ @ 330 (3,3,3,3,2)

Doubles until...
7x2, 1x2+ @ 350 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,1)

Then starting back at whatever weight you got stuck at on 5s and running it back up until you hit another snag. It’s an idea I may frick around with.


I don't ever really focus on max strength but if you are I would suggest keeping the amrap sets in the 5-8 range and adding in joker type sets on days you feel good. Thats if you are trying to stay true to the program.


lsu777
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So JP brought up a good point today, if you aren't doing the bodyweight stuff, you aren't doing greyskull.


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It's my personal opinion that the dude's life is a mess and he's a charlatan of sorts. Pumping out a lot of regurgitated e-books, sometimes they focus on training, sometimes on random life advice, sometimes on how to play Billy Badass out in the skreets. I can't deny that his program is effective, but he's flaky...


100% After reading 777s info, I became fascinated with JP. I noticed that on the website where you buy the Greyskull ebooks, he did personal training. I signed up, he gladly took my money....but I had to basically beg to get him on the phone. I did get one good session out of him- and I will use the information given. The remaining ones, I will call it buyer beware- it’s been a couple months since I heard from him. I am really disappointed in the guy.
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Boring
Member since Feb 2019
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I am really disappointed in the guy.


He's not unlike Martin Berkhan in that way, IMO. Struck gold but didn't develop it for one reason or another (lack of discipline? lack of motivation? no business sense?)...dude put out some god-like material and has hardly any presence or brand. Dante Trudel stays in the shadows on purpose, JP and Berkhan just can't seem to get out of their own way or something.

For all the criticism I've thrown at JP, I'll always love and recommend GSLP, irrespective of the character of the creator. His program quite literally saved my life once upon a time


lsu777
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subMOA


When he is on point he is on point. Right now, he is on point. Hit him up and see if you can get what is owed. He owes me a session too and I plan to hit him up here in a few months.



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