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Strength vs weightlifting and muscle size
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:39 pm
In my experience, some people lift a huge amount of weight in the gym, but still don’t seem functionally strong (like moving furniture). Also, I’ve noticed some people have huge muscles but can’t lift much weight (in gym or otherwise).
Does anyone agree with this observation?
Amy theories as to why this happens?
Does anyone agree with this observation?
Amy theories as to why this happens?
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:47 pm to Dandaman
There are 2 types of lifting
Lifting for size and lifting for strength
Lifting for size is high reps, lower weight, less rest time and more time under tension
Lifting for strength is lower reps, higher weight, longer rest times
Strength is less about pure muscle size and more about adaptations of the nervous system
Lifting for size and lifting for strength
Lifting for size is high reps, lower weight, less rest time and more time under tension
Lifting for strength is lower reps, higher weight, longer rest times
Strength is less about pure muscle size and more about adaptations of the nervous system
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:03 pm to goldennugget
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Lifting for strength is lower reps, higher weight, longer rest times
But there are still guys that lift for strength, put up impressive numbers is the gym, but still aren’t “functionally” strong in the real world. Like having to go through a series of bracing queues to pick up a 25lb toddler so as not to throw their back out.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:37 am to Dandaman
Look like Tarzan, play like Jane. It’s a very common dynamic and is noted on football fields across America.
For us “average” folks, weights and barbells are just really convenient and efficient ways to move weights. It’s why I can squat 300lbs on a barbell and feel wonderful, but a 150lb sandbag challenges every muscle in my body.
For us “average” folks, weights and barbells are just really convenient and efficient ways to move weights. It’s why I can squat 300lbs on a barbell and feel wonderful, but a 150lb sandbag challenges every muscle in my body.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 9:02 am to goldennugget
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There are 2 types of lifting
Lifting for size and lifting for strength
Lifting for size is high reps, lower weight, less rest time and more time under tension
Lifting for strength is lower reps, higher weight, longer rest times
Strength is less about pure muscle size and more about adaptations of the nervous system
This.
Hypertrophy is to grow the size of your muscles and add definition. Think Strongest Man competition for the other: those guys are huge and built like refrigerators
Posted on 8/15/21 at 10:40 am to Dandaman
I'd love to hear about your examples of people lifting huge amounts of weight in the gym but being unable to move furniture.
Have you followed these gym monsters home and watched them struggle to reposition the couch?
Not sure how you can have much evidence backing this claim. I think this is more of an old wives' tale.
Have you followed these gym monsters home and watched them struggle to reposition the couch?
Not sure how you can have much evidence backing this claim. I think this is more of an old wives' tale.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:19 am to goldennugget
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There are 2 types of lifting
Lifting for size and lifting for strength
Okay, sure.
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Lifting for size is high reps, lower weight, less rest time and more time under tension Lifting for strength is lower reps, higher weight, longer rest times
Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. People respond differently to stimulus.
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Strength is less about pure muscle size and more about adaptations of the nervous system
It’s both. Having bigger muscles helps with strength. World class strength athletes are generally not small. It’s all relative. Strength training that can be practiced and developed. Training for hypertrophy helps build strength. It’s not inherently one way or the other.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:21 am to LSUfan20005
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For us “average” folks, weights and barbells are just really convenient and efficient ways to move weights. It’s why I can squat 300lbs on a barbell and feel wonderful, but a 150lb sandbag challenges every muscle in my body.
Or you just don’t know how to pick up a sandbag. They are two completely different movements.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:25 am to DeafJam73
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Or you just don’t know how to pick up a sandbag. They are two completely different movements.
You trying to not understand what he's saying and be a douchebag, or is it just coming naturally?
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:30 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I’m exhausted. I don’t have the brain capacity to understand anything right now.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:33 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You trying to not understand what he's saying and be a douchebag, or is it just coming naturally?
From the same poster that is seemingly in an argument with others in every fourth thread I pull up on this site. Try not to throw too many stones from that glass house of yours.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:37 am to Dixie Normus
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From the same poster that is seemingly in an argument with others in every fourth thread I pull up on this site. Try not to throw too many stones from that glass house of yours.
I don't force anyone to say dumb shite, but I don't sit idle when it is either.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:41 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Instead of being a fricking a-hole, try sharing your knowledge. I’m open to being corrected, but don’t be such an insufferable bag of dicks all the time.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 11:59 am to DeafJam73
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Instead of being a fricking a-hole
You can stop right there. Youve already requested more of him than hes capable of.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 12:02 pm to DeafJam73
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Instead of being a fricking a-hole, try sharing your knowledge. I’m open to being corrected, but don’t be such an insufferable bag of dicks all the time.
It'd be much simpler if you didn't start by being a dick head to the post you responded to
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 8/15/21 at 12:13 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I wasn’t. You just took it that way.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 12:39 pm to DeafJam73
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I wasn’t. You just took it that way.
Well then you must just be stupid because the point he was making was abundantly clear.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 12:46 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I don’t have the energy for an argument with you. Just enjoy being a miserable prick.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 1:01 pm to DeafJam73
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I don’t have the energy for an argument with you. Just enjoy being a miserable prick.
"I know I'm wrong"
A lot simpler and it's ok
Posted on 8/15/21 at 1:36 pm to Dandaman
To the OP, there’s a variety of factors that affect things like this.
1. Take two equally fit people except that one is 5’6” and one is 6’6”. The taller one will almost always be stronger because they just have a larger frame that fits larger muscles which gives them more strength. It’s why everyone in strongman competitions is not just large from a muscle size standpoint, but they’re also over 6’6”
2. People train for different goals. Someone that goes for aesthetics is strong in many respects but doesn’t lift for any functional strength. They’re not picking up heavy deadlifts that would help with something like moving furniture.
There’s more, but those are the low hanging fruit to answer your question.
1. Take two equally fit people except that one is 5’6” and one is 6’6”. The taller one will almost always be stronger because they just have a larger frame that fits larger muscles which gives them more strength. It’s why everyone in strongman competitions is not just large from a muscle size standpoint, but they’re also over 6’6”
2. People train for different goals. Someone that goes for aesthetics is strong in many respects but doesn’t lift for any functional strength. They’re not picking up heavy deadlifts that would help with something like moving furniture.
There’s more, but those are the low hanging fruit to answer your question.
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 1:37 pm
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