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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:37 am to
Posted by RunAsAdmin
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:37 am to
I can do 7 min pace for 5k but that's a 200+ HR, don't like to get it that high too often. How long have you been running? To be able to keep that pace for 20 plus is insane, and also motivating as hell.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:59 am to
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21.3 mile long run, 7:07 pace 122 avg heart rate in Brooks adrenalines with 1 gel at the start and no water
do you take hydration/carbs in during an actual marathon? I’m going to be honest just because you can do this doesn’t necessarily mean you should. Even if you don’t feel like you need it during the run it’ll help with recovery after when you’re going that long
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by AmIDonut
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:07 am to
Been running for 10-11 years. Been going 50-70+ miles per week the last 2-3 years.

I would definitely take carbs and drink water during a marathon. Have not raced one yet. Not training for one until probably next year though.
Posted by Walter White Jr
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:12 am to
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21.3 mile long run, 7:07 pace 122 avg heart rate


Damn, dude. That is quite the aerobic base. Did you run in college?
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:56 am to
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Been running for 10-11 years. Been going 50-70+ miles per week the last 2-3 years.

I would definitely take carbs and drink water during a marathon. Have not raced one yet. Not training for one until probably next year though.


Good for you, crazy that you've been doing that kind of mileage but never raced a marathon. You could probably pick a smaller marathon and set a course record on it with your aerobic base
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:31 am to
I just don't get the science behind that ,conditioned or not. Your body requires fuel, you can't carb load enough to fuel 21 miles, especially at that pace. Dude is an anomaly that should be studied. At some point, your body starts consuming protein and muscle if it's depleted that bad. This shite is screwing with my brain.
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
651 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:01 pm to
Only part that seems insane is the heart rate. conditioning over time.

SO ran Gorge 100k yesterday. 13.5hrs 11k’ gain. Hasn’t ran an ultra in 2 yrs. Was trained for result she got but good mental prep for Crazy Mt 100 late July. She’s got work to do to get ready. Hopefully we can get in the mountains soon. Need more snow to melt. Above 7k elevation still post hole knee deep
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24340 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:11 pm to
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Only part that seems insane is the heart rate.


So how does your body fuel itself over those 21 miles once it depletes itself? You have about an hour of stored fuel. There has to be a science based explanation. It has to consume something for fuel.
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 12:21 pm
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:15 pm to
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21.3 mile long run, 7:07 pace 122 avg heart rate

What was moving time vs elapsed time?
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
651 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:28 pm to
Bro when Zuck calls you answer.

I think you’re shorting yourself. Google search “ The capacity of your body to store muscle and liver glycogen, however, is limited to approximately 1,800 to 2,000 calories worth of energy, or enough fuel for 90 to 120 minutes of continuous, vigorous activity.”

120hr isn’t vigorous. Was his fueling optimized probably not but now the importance Refueling after went up

Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24340 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:57 pm to
Chatgpt got me this is what I was looking for:

"B. Fat Adaptation:
Trained endurance athletes often improve their mitochondrial density and fat metabolism, which allows them to run at moderate intensities using mostly fat.

This runner likely operates below their lactate threshold, allowing fat oxidation to dominate, which is more sustainable but slower—unless you're elite."

So he's conditioned himself to use fat efficiently as a fuel source. Teach me, Yoda, i want to learn the way.
Posted by AmIDonut
Member since Jan 2022
171 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:08 pm to
Yes, ran in college.

Moving time 2:32:07, elapsed time 2:32:26. Paused at 0.04 mile because I started running before I took off my shirt and paused to walk around a water/mud puddle
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
36305 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:19 pm to
Did you run at tech? If so when’s you graduate? We may know each other
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
651 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:32 pm to
That could be part of his condition based on years of running. He could have also eaten 500 cal breakfast pre run and easily had enough fuel to burn. In general it’s not a one size fits all type of thing.
Posted by AmIDonut
Member since Jan 2022
171 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:42 pm to
Ran in the afternoon. Had 900 calories for breakfast, 700 calories for lunch. About 80oz of water total before the run. 1 gel right before. I do 15-18 mile runs fairly often with no gels and no water during. Pretty much always in the afternoon with 1400-1800 calories already on my stomach.

@pedro, no comment so I don’t dox myself. I don’t know any runners from ULM though. I wasn’t very good in college though
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18577 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Oates Mustache


A person that is very very thin has enough fat reserve to "keep moving" for like 20 days.... If you can keep your heart rate super low (like Donut did with a whopping 120...) you can kinda keep going without fuel for a very long time.

Is it ideal? Absolutely not, but it is possible
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13867 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:57 pm to
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Moving time 2:32:07, elapsed time 2:32:26.

Okay, you’re a certified freak
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24340 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 2:50 pm to
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but it is possible


I'm not doubting he did it, I was just trying to understand the body mechanics. Using fat as fuel efficiently is wild. I'm gonna keep reading about how you train your body to use fat.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
3571 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 3:07 pm to
13m at 11:10 pace
Average Hr 146 40oz of tailwind but I probably have enough fat stored for 30-40 miles.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24340 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 3:09 pm to
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but I probably have enough fat stored for 30-40 miles.


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