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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:02 pm to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:02 pm to OysterPoBoy
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How many miles/week are most marathon training plans towards the end? I'm trying to get an idea of how much more running I will be doing timewise. I'm around 30/week now.
30 miles per week is a solid base for most marathon training plans. Your peak mileage will depend on a lot of factors, but the top things to consider are:
1) In the past few years, what is the most weekly mileage you have run, and were you able to stay injury free?
2) Do you want to just finish the marathon without taking walk breaks, or do you want to finish with a decent time?
3) How many days per week are you willing to run, and how much time are you willing and able to commit to it?
With a base of 30 miles per week, plans with peak mileage of 50, 60, or even 70 miles are all within reach depending on your responses the the above questions.
This post was edited on 4/26/21 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 4/26/21 at 3:49 pm to LSU Patrick
My main goal is to finish but I really want to be under 4 hours. I think 45 is my max week so far but I’m consistently between 25 and 30 for the last 6 months.
I could get up to 50 I think but beyond that may be pushing it for time.
I could get up to 50 I think but beyond that may be pushing it for time.
This post was edited on 4/26/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:32 am to OysterPoBoy
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I could get up to 50 I think but beyond that may be pushing it for time
That is what I would aim for then. I finished my last marathon (a very hilly course) in 3:38 using the Pfitz 18/55 plan, and I didn’t follow it as well as I should have. I think I actually only peaked at around 50 miles. I did, however, stick pretty close to the weekly long runs. Assuming you can currently finish a 5k in less than 23 minutes, a good plan that has you peaking around 50 miles per week will be plenty of preparation for a sub 4-hr marathon, and you could very well end up closer to 3:30.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:32 am to Aubie Spr96
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I'd love to be able to have a 6/min pace at a HR of 140ish. How is that even possible?
First step is to get a garmin 235 and in no time, you’ll be getting inverse hr reporting and 20-30 minute satellite sync ups.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:35 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
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First step is to get a garmin 235 and in no time, you’ll be getting inverse hr reporting and 20-30 minute satellite sync ups.
Back in the day I had a 405 with that awful touch bezel. You had to do a damn rain dance before your run to get satellite
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:22 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
My 235 is pretty good. HR does give a few problems
Question: is there anything wrong (or really any benefit) to running short doubles? Like 2-3 miles in the AM? I’m at about 30mpw right now, working to the neighborhood of 50ish. I could get 15-20 extra miles in addition to my normal PM workouts but I don’t want to be spinning my wheels if that’s not far enough of a distance. I know doubles really become a thing about 60-70 miles
Question: is there anything wrong (or really any benefit) to running short doubles? Like 2-3 miles in the AM? I’m at about 30mpw right now, working to the neighborhood of 50ish. I could get 15-20 extra miles in addition to my normal PM workouts but I don’t want to be spinning my wheels if that’s not far enough of a distance. I know doubles really become a thing about 60-70 miles
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:30 pm to jimbeam
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is there anything wrong (or really any benefit) to running short doubles? Like 2-3 miles in the AM?
I’m curious also. I may need to do 3 morning and 3 night to get my miles in.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:22 pm to OysterPoBoy
There is nothing "wrong" with it, but you would be giving up some endurance training and aerobic development. Since endurance and aerobic development are most important for the marathon distance, doing 3 mile runs is kind of a waste of time. I'm not a big fan of blanket statements, but Pfitzinger actually says in his book that anything under 4 total miles isn't even worth doing for marathon training. He also doesn't call anything under 15 miles a "long run." He calls 8-14 miles "medium-long runs" and includes those in the middle of weeks.
You could get away with that for 5k or 10k training by splitting say a 3 mile track workout in the morning and a short recovery run in the evening, but for marathon or ultra training, doubles are usually used to manage high mileage like 70+. Those doubles usually look like 8 in the morning, 6 in the evening or similar.
You could get away with that for 5k or 10k training by splitting say a 3 mile track workout in the morning and a short recovery run in the evening, but for marathon or ultra training, doubles are usually used to manage high mileage like 70+. Those doubles usually look like 8 in the morning, 6 in the evening or similar.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:36 pm to LSU Patrick
How many triathletes do we have on here and the board?
Do you think a dedicated tri thread would be so sporadically used it wouldn’t be worth it?
Do you think a dedicated tri thread would be so sporadically used it wouldn’t be worth it?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:46 pm to LSU Patrick
That makes sense. I’ll just have to wake up a little earlier.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:12 pm to Tornado Alley
I am and would be interested in a separate thread
Posted on 4/27/21 at 6:31 pm to jimbeam
Since you replied to to me, I want to do you the courtesy of giving you an answer. Splitting up your current mileage would be detrimental as I think another cat on here was thinking of doing. For instance you run 6 miles typically, but split it 3 and 3. There’s one exception I’ll mention.
There is nothing wrong with grabbing a couple extra to get loose. It won’t make you a he man all of a sudden though, and there are a few ways to go about it.
Getting a few in the afternoon at recovery pace is good for a shake out post workout. Or if you are someone that does long workouts splitting your next day’s run could help with recovery. If you’re doing big miles, then adding an extra run a couple would be one of the only ways to do so, which is obvious.
Since I know you know how to google, I’ll spare you the “expert” advice. Personally I double 3-4 times a week and my splits look like 9 and 4 or 10 and 3-4 with the shorter run in the afternoon.
I’ll tell you this, for what you are doing now, if you’re looking to add a few 2 mile runs a week, you’d be better served to spread that out over your current regimen. E.G. run 7 instead of 6 etc.
Anyhow, I think you should extend your current runs until you start getting close to that 50 mark and then revisit. Running is boring as shite, but you’ll get used to it. Obviously I’m telling you this out of personal experience which is the type of answer I think you’re looking for.
Edit: ksnola gets some big miles in; might be good to get his opinion as well.
There is nothing wrong with grabbing a couple extra to get loose. It won’t make you a he man all of a sudden though, and there are a few ways to go about it.
Getting a few in the afternoon at recovery pace is good for a shake out post workout. Or if you are someone that does long workouts splitting your next day’s run could help with recovery. If you’re doing big miles, then adding an extra run a couple would be one of the only ways to do so, which is obvious.
Since I know you know how to google, I’ll spare you the “expert” advice. Personally I double 3-4 times a week and my splits look like 9 and 4 or 10 and 3-4 with the shorter run in the afternoon.
I’ll tell you this, for what you are doing now, if you’re looking to add a few 2 mile runs a week, you’d be better served to spread that out over your current regimen. E.G. run 7 instead of 6 etc.
Anyhow, I think you should extend your current runs until you start getting close to that 50 mark and then revisit. Running is boring as shite, but you’ll get used to it. Obviously I’m telling you this out of personal experience which is the type of answer I think you’re looking for.
Edit: ksnola gets some big miles in; might be good to get his opinion as well.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:11 pm to jimbeam
When you get to the 50’s, 6 miles needs to be an absolute baseline run. I see no benefit to doing 3 and 3. Really try to get it to where 6 is a run you bang out anytime. Jmo
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:18 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
Do you even 645 music bro ?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:31 pm to 1999
Thanks for the replies guys. I guess I made my question unclear. Currently 4 is a bare minimum, more like 5 miles. My question was whether or not doing say a normal 4-8 in the PM paired with a 2-3 in the AM is worth it. I’m gathering that it is not.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:54 am to Walter White
TRIATHLON/OFF-TOPIC.
I've been training hard for my upcoming Olympic triathlon. I'm doubling up on Friday and doing a long bike on Saturday. I have a 20 mile bike scheduled for tomorrow. I'm considering going slow to stay in zone 2/3 rather than push it as I usually do. I don't do any HR-based training at this time. I only try and get runs in under 8:40/mi and bikes in under 4:00/mi (but I'm usually in a 3:35/mi range).
This is one of those times where I'm just "listening to my body."
Thoughts?
I've been training hard for my upcoming Olympic triathlon. I'm doubling up on Friday and doing a long bike on Saturday. I have a 20 mile bike scheduled for tomorrow. I'm considering going slow to stay in zone 2/3 rather than push it as I usually do. I don't do any HR-based training at this time. I only try and get runs in under 8:40/mi and bikes in under 4:00/mi (but I'm usually in a 3:35/mi range).
This is one of those times where I'm just "listening to my body."
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 8:57 am
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:55 am to jimbeam
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Thanks for the replies guys. I guess I made my question unclear. Currently 4 is a bare minimum, more like 5 miles. My question was whether or not doing say a normal 4-8 in the PM paired with a 2-3 in the AM is worth it. I’m gathering that it is not
I hate doubling up on anything, but sometimes you gotta do it.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:55 am to Walter White
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I am and would be interested in a separate thread
If I have some time this weekend I will start the thread.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:20 am to jimbeam
3 mile isn’t worth the hassle for me of getting laced up and out the door (unless it’s day before a race for a shakeout run). But that’s just me. If I double it’s again at least my baseline of 6.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:27 am to Tornado Alley
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listening to my body
Sounds like a good thing, especially with how hot it’s getting outside recently. I’ve been trying to mix in more Z2/Z3 rides as well—I’m enjoying seeing the added benefits of recovery without overdoing it. Go for it!
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