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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:55 am to
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:55 am to
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Patrick, do you use a wrist or chest HRM? I recall reading somewhere that chest is more accurate, but I find them uncomfortable and would prefer to use my watch if the accuracy is about the same.


I used to use a chest strap, but the watch I have now is a wrist HRM. The chest straps were much more accurate than the wrist HRMs with the older technology, but the newer wrist HRMs seem to be as accurate as the chest straps now. The oly difference I have really noticed is that my wrist HRM tends to be less reliable than my chest strap used to be. I don't know what the reason for that is, but it seems to be related to electrical interference and/or weather conditions. One thing I definitely discovered about the straps if you use one is that sodium will build up around the electrodes over time from your sweat and interfere with the signal by creating a circuit from left to right. I ended up cutting my strap between the left and right connections, and that seemed to help a lot. Plus, I cleaned the strap well with soap and water at least once every couple of weeks during the summer.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:40 am to
The. Max HR for my age is supposed to be 185

I know it’s higher than that for sure
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:28 pm to
Little better today. 163 bpm at a 9:00/mile pace (6 miles).

Sucks to go slow. I'm gonna run fast AF on Saturday though.
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:51 am to
I was talking about running HR to a cardiologist recently and he said an abnormally high HR on a run could be explained by your not having drunk enough water the day before.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:30 am to
True. Dehydration and cardiac drift can contribute to higher HRs, but I think TA is consistently seeing tempo range heart rates in what should be easy runs. That's almost certainly the result of not running easy runs easy. I see this a lot. I think Strava makes this worse too, because people get focused on comparing their average training pace with other runners.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:31 am
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:31 am to
I always drink a lot of water and I guess I’m gonna have to slow down some more. This month is just about getting more accustomed to longer (6+ mile) runs. Next month is when I start working in speed work for the first time.

I ain’t worried baws
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:34 am to
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I ain’t worried baws


You shouldn't be. Just slow down for 80% of your volume, and I guarantee your body will begin to make the adaptations you want it to. Seriously, try running an easy run or two at a 9:30 to 10:00 pace and see what your avg HR looks like.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:34 am
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:47 am to
I just wanted to jump in here and say that your HR seems totally normal to me, based on my experience using HR as a training marker.

For reference, I have a max HR slightly above 200. My aerobic HR is right at 154 bpm. My average marathon HR is usually around 165, and my average heart rate for a half is usually around 171.

If I recall, you usually do your easier training runs faster than your target marathon race pace and even faster than your half race pace at times. At that pace, your average HR of 163 would be totally normal, especially for someone with a slightly higher max HR, which is also normal. If you wanted to drop your average HR for a run, you would just need to slow down your pace to something below your race paces.

Just thought I would put this out there before you got alarmed something was wrong. It seems fine to me. But don't listen to me. There are some good sources out there on HR training and what the different HR training zones mean if you are interested in learning more. I think most people just run by feel though, and may only use HR as a reference, if at all.

@JBR - I use a Garmin soft strap. Super comfortable, barely ever notice it's there.

Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:06 am to
Thank you, baw.

I talked at length to my brother, a physician and avid biker, about this. He thinks I probably have a Higher max HR higher than 190. I got 190 by subtracting my age from 220 based on an active.com article, by the way.

I ought to just test my max HR next week. Why tfrick not.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:03 am to
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I got 190 by subtracting my age from 220 based on an active.com article, by the way.


Yeah. That's just a good way to get close.


That formula gets me to 174. My chest heart monitor has gone to 188 several times. I assume that's my max heart rate because I haven't been able to exceed that number.
Posted by BruslyTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:26 am to
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He thinks I probably have a Higher max HR higher than 190
I was having what I thought was a high max HR when doing long runs. I had the full cardio testing done including the treadmill test. I was told that I had a very healthy heart and to drink more water all of the time and stop running if it is uncomfortable.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:30 am to
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stop running if it is uncomfortable.


We'd all stop running if that was the case.
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:03 pm to
I'm not a heart rate expert or even a running expert but i'm going to guess that your heart rate is high even on your "slow" run because your slow run isn't slow enough for your overall running ability. I looked back at some of the paces you posted "Eight miles in 1:04:58 (8:07/mile pace). I was flying. Felt amazing". not saying this is the fastest you can run 8 but if close to your 100% then your easy 6 miler should be much slower than 9:00. there's only a 10%-ish difference in effort. slow run should be 20-25% slower.

someone else may be able to give better info or another take on this but this is mine. hopefully it is a little helpful.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
74230 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:42 pm to
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I talked at length to my brother, a physician and avid biker, about this. He thinks I probably have a Higher max HR higher than 190. I got 190 by subtracting my age from 220 based on an active.com article, by the way.


Yeah, This formula has a large margin of error. At age 44, my max HR should be 176, but it is more like 190 when I am fit. If you want a more accurate measure, do the test I recommended a few posts back. I still think you are running too fast though as I explained previously. Like the other poster mentioned, you are running most of your runs at marathon race pace or faster. That is not easy pace. Save that for your tempo and progression runs.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27011 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:11 pm to
Lost in all the heart rate stuff over the past few days is some good news: my shin splints haven’t shown back up yet.

I’m torn on whether to run slow today or try a basic tempo run. Winds are supposed to be real stronk. I’ll prob just give it a quick jog and call it a day.
Posted by hogbody
Fayetteville
Member since Oct 2008
4920 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:04 pm to
Well probably don’t need them, but purchased some Next% today
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
74230 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:11 pm to
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Lost in all the heart rate stuff over the past few days is some good news: my shin splints haven’t shown back up yet.


Nice. Your calves are strong enough to handle the increased volume now.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27011 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:16 pm to
What are those?

Remember that old MTV show, Next? It was pretty funny. The contestants would always have their rooms examined with a blacklight
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
2595 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:58 pm to
Ran 5 miles in 8:15 a mile this morning for a training run, which is back on par with my runs in early January before back and calf injuries derailed me. Normally, I'd start thinking of racing some 5ks; but not happening obviously. I suspect by next race may be the same as my last: NOLA Turkey Day.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
28503 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:42 pm to
Don’t forget the Jazz 1/2 at the end of October.

How long did it take you to get over that calf injury? What kind of injury was it?
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 10:43 pm
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