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Nutrition: what I'm about to get into...
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:54 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:54 am
For the last few years since a very bad back injury, I've been doing simple things to stay strong/get stronger.
Nothing was intelligent. I always tried to eat a significant amount of protein, I always lifted heavier and heavier objects trying to get back to where I was, but ultimately I just got more and more unhealthy.
Some strength certainly increased. I can now deadlift more than I could before, but I feel like shite all the time.
I sleep may be 20-30 hours a week. I eat two large meals a day. I feel worn out 90% of the time.
After talking to a nutritionist, I have an actual food plan for the first time in a long time.
Heavier on the carbs than I have previously gone, but also much simpler. White rice. Steak. Milk. Eggs. Greens. Carrots. Apples.
The idea being to correct a vitamin D deficiency as well as other nutrients.
After a few weeks, the plan is to add in a little more simple rice, fish, and so on.
What has surprised me the most is I'm expected to drink at least a half gallon of whole milk per day. Something I haven't done since I was a teenager, and at that point I drank gallons per week.
It will be interesting to see the ultimate effects. Just finished reading all of it.
The initial goal is correcting sleep patterns as well as deficiencies.
Exciting times in the Rando household.
Nothing was intelligent. I always tried to eat a significant amount of protein, I always lifted heavier and heavier objects trying to get back to where I was, but ultimately I just got more and more unhealthy.
Some strength certainly increased. I can now deadlift more than I could before, but I feel like shite all the time.
I sleep may be 20-30 hours a week. I eat two large meals a day. I feel worn out 90% of the time.
After talking to a nutritionist, I have an actual food plan for the first time in a long time.
Heavier on the carbs than I have previously gone, but also much simpler. White rice. Steak. Milk. Eggs. Greens. Carrots. Apples.
The idea being to correct a vitamin D deficiency as well as other nutrients.
After a few weeks, the plan is to add in a little more simple rice, fish, and so on.
What has surprised me the most is I'm expected to drink at least a half gallon of whole milk per day. Something I haven't done since I was a teenager, and at that point I drank gallons per week.
It will be interesting to see the ultimate effects. Just finished reading all of it.
The initial goal is correcting sleep patterns as well as deficiencies.
Exciting times in the Rando household.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:09 am to X123F45
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I sleep may be 20-30 hours a week. I eat two large meals a day. I feel worn out 90% of the time.
Hmpf.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:13 am to GeorgeTheGreek
What’s with the lack of sleep-pain,anxiety?Have you ever had sleep study ?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:26 am to X123F45
Milk has tryptophan in it which does help with sleep, but whole milk has a crapload of sugar in it usually. You can buy vitamin d caps at walgreen’s to get supplement your diet. Half a gallon of whole milk to gonna pack on the pounds.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:53 am to X123F45
Bruh...
If you want to clear all that up just go carnivore. What’s the credentials on this “nutritionist?”
I can 99.99% tell you now that you are going to feel like absolute shite doing GOMAD and simple carbs as the main bulk of your meal plan.
If you want to clear all that up just go carnivore. What’s the credentials on this “nutritionist?”
I can 99.99% tell you now that you are going to feel like absolute shite doing GOMAD and simple carbs as the main bulk of your meal plan.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:00 am to X123F45
I’d cut the milk and pick up Thorne’s vitamin D3 supplement.
Also throw in their magnesium supplement as well.
Milk is high fat and high sugar, a nasty combo for energy levels.
Also throw in their magnesium supplement as well.
Milk is high fat and high sugar, a nasty combo for energy levels.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:03 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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If you want to clear all that up just go carnivore
lol
just as bad as telling someone to go vegan
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:41 am to X123F45
Have you had bloodwork run to determine if you actually have nutrient deficiencies? And if you're going to be working with someone that wants blood work and to fix nutrient deficiencies, I hope this nutritionist is an RD. Anyone that's not at least an RD that's doing this kind of thing is unqualified and working out of scope IMO.
First and foremost fix your sleep, man. That's probably going to fix 90% of the problem of exhaustion. Get 8 hours a night.
If you start getting 8 hours a night and still feel bad after a couple of weeks, then you start talking about nutrient deficiencies and getting those squared away. If after a month you get those squared away and your sleep is still squared away but you're still exhausted it's time to check thyroid.
I've been through this scenario, though I never slept that little. I've always been an 8-9 hours guy (though my deep sleep number from my watch is always terribly low, for whatever that's worth), but I had low vitamin D levels, chronically dehydrated, chronic low platelet and iron counts, and turns out i have Hashimoto's, so no wonder I was exhausted. Anyway, all that's to say - BE DILIGENT. Being exhausted fricking sucks, but if you're not sleeping 8 hours a night you ABSOLUTELY need to fix that first.
Ok qualified
First and foremost fix your sleep, man. That's probably going to fix 90% of the problem of exhaustion. Get 8 hours a night.
If you start getting 8 hours a night and still feel bad after a couple of weeks, then you start talking about nutrient deficiencies and getting those squared away. If after a month you get those squared away and your sleep is still squared away but you're still exhausted it's time to check thyroid.
I've been through this scenario, though I never slept that little. I've always been an 8-9 hours guy (though my deep sleep number from my watch is always terribly low, for whatever that's worth), but I had low vitamin D levels, chronically dehydrated, chronic low platelet and iron counts, and turns out i have Hashimoto's, so no wonder I was exhausted. Anyway, all that's to say - BE DILIGENT. Being exhausted fricking sucks, but if you're not sleeping 8 hours a night you ABSOLUTELY need to fix that first.
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phd in nutritional sciences
Ok qualified
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:50 am to LSUA 75
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What’s with the lack of sleep-pain,anxiety?Have you ever had sleep study ?
Not really anymore. I had multiple vertebrae fractures which lead to years of not very restful sleep. Which lead to less and less sleep.
Basically no back pain most of the time now, but I still don't sleep.
As for the credentials of the nutritionist, he's a friend of mine who has a phd in nutritional sciences from Penn state who has been a competitive athlete for most of his life.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:39 am to X123F45
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What has surprised me the most is I'm expected to drink at least a half gallon of whole milk per day.
I can't think of a single situation where I would instruct a client to do this. Hope your friend isn't charging you
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:44 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:43 am to Vyvanse
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I can't think of a single situation where I would instruct a client to do this. Hope you're not paying too much for this "nutritionist"
This is protocol for Rippetoe taking 100lbs high school kids and making them nearly morbidly obese, but hey they can deadlift 400+
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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just as bad as telling someone to go vegan
Except without all the bullshite nonsense "science" it actually IS a great elimination diet to find out what it is that causes issues.
Carnivore is a great idea, people are downvoting it because of who recommended it.
I don't see any malnutritioned, skinny and weak carnivoires out there. I see plenty of long-term vegans that nail that.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:13 am to Junky
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Except without all the bullshite nonsense "science" it actually IS a great elimination diet to find out what it is that causes issues.
Carnivore is a great idea, people are downvoting it because of who recommended it.
I don't see any malnutritioned, skinny and weak carnivoires out there. I see plenty of long-term vegans that nail that.
there isn't enough science out there to validate either diet
thats my point both are on the extreme end of the spectrum
both can be used to address issues or autoimmune problems but no one knows the real long term effects
bullshite science comes out to support both diets.
Keto or a lower carb diet cutting out processed bullshite would probably be his best bet if he isn't hitting the gym hard and trying to clear up what seems to be inflammation and paid issues caused by food.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:25 am to Vyvanse
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I can't think of a single situation where I would instruct a client to do this. Hope your friend isn't charging you
It's for less than a month. And I'm still expect to be under a caloric deficit.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:42 am to X123F45
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It's for less than a month. And I'm still expect to be under a caloric deficit.
How big are you? 0.5 gallons of whole milk a day in itself is ~1200 calories and ~100g of sugar...
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:43 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
294 and 30% bf
Edit, 30 not 31
Edit, 30 not 31
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:45 am to X123F45
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How big are you? 0.5 gallons of whole milk a day in itself is ~1200 calories
Exactly.
We're going to need a little more context if you truly want our best-informed opinions.
How many calories a day were you eating prior to starting this nutrition plan? Calorie deficit doesn't sound like the best idea right out of the gate if your primary goal is to get better sleep and improve general health, especially if you were way above calorie maintenance prior to starting this.
The milk part just doesn't make sense to me and would be a red flag for me regarding his credibility. Sorry that it's your buddy and he has a fancy education, but you said it yourself you were surprised by this and rightfully so.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:50 am to Vyvanse
Unless the milk part is to prime the body for when it's removed, I don't really get it either.
If you're pushing 300, a lot of things will work at this point. That said, I'm not sure milk is a great starting point.
I'm not a huge fan of keto/carnivore unless it really appeals to you. I would consider asking your nutritionist why the milk is there. If he has a legit reason, he should easily be able to tell you.
If you're pushing 300, a lot of things will work at this point. That said, I'm not sure milk is a great starting point.
I'm not a huge fan of keto/carnivore unless it really appeals to you. I would consider asking your nutritionist why the milk is there. If he has a legit reason, he should easily be able to tell you.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:52 am to Vyvanse
I've lost 60ish lbs in the last year eating averaging under 3500 calories. Sometimes I'm in the 5s. Sometimes I'm in the teens.
Mainly eating higher protein and a shite ton of fiber. Have plateaued for a few months and just feel slow. Sluggish.
He basically said I should expect to gain 10-15 lbs over a two week period but my sleep and energy shpuod improve. We'll do blood work and then design a more functional long term meal plan.
Still focusing on whole foods.
Mainly eating higher protein and a shite ton of fiber. Have plateaued for a few months and just feel slow. Sluggish.
He basically said I should expect to gain 10-15 lbs over a two week period but my sleep and energy shpuod improve. We'll do blood work and then design a more functional long term meal plan.
Still focusing on whole foods.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:56 am to Rep520
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consider asking your nutritionist why the milk is there
Vitamin D and easily processed calories before bed.
I asked.
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