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Mainstream article on Peterson's daugther's all-beef diet

Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:35 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:35 am
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Peterson adopted a common approach to dieting: elimination. She started cutting out foods from her diet, and feeling better each time. She began with gluten, and she kept going, casting out more and more—not just gluten or dairy or soy or lectins or artificial sweeteners or non-artificial sweeteners, but everything. Until, by December 2017, all that was left was “beef and salt and water,” and, she told me, “all my symptoms went into remission.”


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There is so much evidence—abundant, copious evidence acquired over decades of work from scientists around the world—that most people benefit from eating fruits, vegetables, nuts, beans, and seeds. This appears to be largely because fiber in plants is important to the flourishing of the gut microbiome. I ran this by some experts, just to make sure I wasn’t missing anything that might suggest a beef-salt diet is potentially something other than a bad idea. I learned that it was worse than I thought.

“Physiologically, it would just be an immensely bad idea,” Jack Gilbert, the faculty director at the University of Chicago’s Microbiome Center and a professor of surgery, told me during a recent visit to his lab. “A terribly, terribly bad idea.”

Gilbert has done extensive research on how the trillions of microbes in our guts digest food, and the look on his face when I told him about the all-beef diet was unamused. He began rattling off the expected ramifications: “Your body would start to have severe dysregulation, within six months, of the majority of the processes that deal with metabolism; you would have no short-chain fatty acids in your cells; most of the by-products of gastrointestinal polysaccharide fermentation would shut down, so you wouldn’t be able to regulate your hormone levels; you’d enter into cardiac issues due to alterations in cell receptors; your microbiota would just be devastated.”


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Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:38 am to
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Jack Gilbert, the faculty director at the University of Chicago’s Microbiome Center and a professor of surgery


Need to look at his financial disclosure statement to see who his real master is.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:48 am to
I quoted him in full from the article, but I am quite suspicious of the independence of his claims. In particular, his casual "if she does not die of colon cancer" remark sends up major red flags.

To be clear, I'm not sure I buy into an all-beef diet - I think it's somewhat likely that she has a unique issue and she lucked into a work-around. However, I do think it's unlikely that an all-beef diet would lead to the catastrophic results predicted by the good professor.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
15075 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:56 am to
An all beef diet is a terrible idea. That’s why I stick to all pork.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 12:18 pm to
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An all beef diet is a terrible idea. That’s why I stick to all pork.


waaaat

the chances of getting better quality sourced beef is way better than pork
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9227 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 12:32 pm to
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you would have no short-chain fatty acids in your cells; most of the by-products of gastrointestinal polysaccharide fermentation would shut down, so you wouldn’t be able to regulate your hormone levels; you’d enter into cardiac issues due to alterations in cell receptors; your microbiota would just be devastated


- this guy is not up to date on 1930's research...


She's on Joe Rogan today
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/7/18 at 8:07 am to
I found it fascinating on both her and Joe's approach on laziness/exercise. Joe was coming from the old school adage of "people are just lazy" which is fine. Her argument, her dad had zero energy, lethargic, change his diet and now has energy to exercise. Joe agreed with her when they circled back to that point (without realizing it) about 30 minutes later.

I think there is a combination of both at play. More so, when my diet is on point, I feel great, need less sleep, and want to exercise.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70005 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 9:24 am to
At least we know you aren’t a Muslim
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70005 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 9:27 am to
It’s pretty simple if you can kill it and grow it without using a ton of chemicals then typically it’s good to eat

I need a little more variety than beef

But I could eat it everyday along with eggs, berries, spinach, kale, and other green veggies
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:00 am to
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I think there is a combination of both at play. More so, when my diet is on point, I feel great, need less sleep, and want to exercise.


Totally agree.

I feel a lot better since I've started this elimination diet (not carnivore, not even low carb..) and I'm much more inclined to exercise now that I'm feeling good. I'd make myself go in the past but until I was warmed up I was tired, lethargic, and didn't really want to do it. Sure, people are lazy. I am definitely lazy. But if you feel like shite, it just takes that much more effort to exercise. Also, exercise can be just that much more stress placed on your body and can prevent healing if there's something malfunctioning.
This post was edited on 9/7/18 at 10:02 am
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:00 am to
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Need to look at his financial disclosure statement to see who his real master is.


Peterson's livelihood is entirely based on promoting this style of eating and you're crticizing the doctor's motives?

I know people on here are really devoted to this idea, and I'm not going try to talk someone else out of their own health decisions. I do think it's ridiculous to act like Peterson is an educated, unbiased source and the doctor is unedcuated or biased.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:04 am to
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Peterson's livelihood is entirely based on promoting this style of eating


Do you know anything about him? The fact that he eats a carnivorous diet is a minor detail for the man.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:12 am to
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Do you know anything about him? The fact that he eats a carnivorous diet is a minor detail for the man. ?



Article is about the daughter. I can't see much about her other than the health/lifestyle business she runs promoting this.

She's the one making the miracle claims in this article.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:21 am to
Fair enough, I misinterpreted Peterson as meaning Jordan Peterson, but you meant his daughter.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 10:33 am to
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Fair enough, I misinterpreted Peterson as meaning Jordan Peterson, but you meant his daughter. ?



Yeah, I'm just posting about the article op used.

Keto stuff isn't for me, but I have no real desire to try to talk someone out of it if they like it. I was just not a fan of the idea that a doctor has more bias than a 26 year old health blogger whose blog/business is almost solely based in promoting all meat diets.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70005 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 12:27 pm to
Actually expand on this

I’m unfamiliar with him and I’d like to know more

The first dr that recommended low carbs that I I ever read books about was dr. Mauro de Pasquale
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:13 pm to
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Keto stuff isn't for me, but I have no real desire to try to talk someone out of it if they like it. I was just not a fan of the idea that a doctor has more bias than a 26 year old health blogger whose blog/business is almost solely based in promoting all meat diets.
She goes to great pains to not represent herself as a scientist.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:21 pm to
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She goes to great pains to not represent herself as a scientist.


I was responding to the poster questioning the doctor's motives and not her motives. She has far more financial incentive than the doctor.

As far as her taking pains not to represent herself as a scientist, fair enough, but again, that doesn't mean you have to mistrust the actual scientist.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35322 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:26 pm to
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She's the one making the miracle claims in this article.


Watch her Rogan podcast. Unless she's lying about her entire life (I don't think she is), then she has a very compelling story.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:31 pm to
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I was responding to the poster questioning the doctor's motives and not her motives. She has far more financial incentive than the doctor.
I wasn't necessarily saying the doctor had a "financial incentive". I just think nutrition "science" has been so utterly corrupted as to be bankrupt with biases.
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