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Low Bar vs High Bar Squat
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:38 am
Hey guys, I’d like your opinions on the low vs high bar squat. I’ve done a lot of reading and watched a good bit on YouTube regarding it, but it seems like there’s so many varying opinions that it hasn’t really cleared much up for me.
Traditionally I’ve always done the high bar. That’s what we learned in football and what I’ve carried over into most of my training through the years. But is one really any better than the other? And is one easier on the knees?
Traditionally I’ve always done the high bar. That’s what we learned in football and what I’ve carried over into most of my training through the years. But is one really any better than the other? And is one easier on the knees?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:04 pm to TM32
I can lift about 40 more pounds with low bar, so I use it in competition.
That said, for general leg strength, high bar is better, IMO. All of my training has high bar of safety squat bar. The main advantage of low bar for me is just improved leverages because I have long legs.
High bar will be more quad dominant, less dependent on hip and shoulder flexibility. Low bar uses less knee travel and more hip travel, so it takes a bit more hip/glute power.
If I was doing general strength stuff, I'd combine high bar with RDL's and that will more or less complete leg development. Unless you want the weight boost that comes with improved leverages from low bar, there isn't a point (and that's from a guy who trains low bar relatively heavy once a week).
That said, for general leg strength, high bar is better, IMO. All of my training has high bar of safety squat bar. The main advantage of low bar for me is just improved leverages because I have long legs.
High bar will be more quad dominant, less dependent on hip and shoulder flexibility. Low bar uses less knee travel and more hip travel, so it takes a bit more hip/glute power.
If I was doing general strength stuff, I'd combine high bar with RDL's and that will more or less complete leg development. Unless you want the weight boost that comes with improved leverages from low bar, there isn't a point (and that's from a guy who trains low bar relatively heavy once a week).
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:09 pm to TM32
Low bar is pretty much for powerlifting. It's the most amount of weight you can squat potentially. However, it doesn't translate well to sports. High bar is great for quad development.
Low bar is more comfortable on the back for me. You really have to warm up the shoulders though and get good mobility as it can wreck them. They also "trend" towards less forward knee travel.
High bar hurts the hell out of my neck. It's much easier in the shoulders to hold. Typically a narrower stance. More forward knee travel. Can get deeper.
ATG is overrated.
Low bar is more comfortable on the back for me. You really have to warm up the shoulders though and get good mobility as it can wreck them. They also "trend" towards less forward knee travel.
High bar hurts the hell out of my neck. It's much easier in the shoulders to hold. Typically a narrower stance. More forward knee travel. Can get deeper.
ATG is overrated.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:29 pm to TM32
I would say just do what you are more comfortable with. I prefer a high bar. That is what I was taught while playing football, like yourself. Either way, as long as your form is solid, I don’t think it really matters.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:37 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
When high bar gets heavy, I have trouble holding it back from rolling into my neck and folding me a little.
Personally, that's why I've gone to SSB for quad development in squatting. I find it a lot easier to hold the torso verticality with handles up SSB vs high bar.
Personally, that's why I've gone to SSB for quad development in squatting. I find it a lot easier to hold the torso verticality with handles up SSB vs high bar.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:24 pm to Rep520
quote:
I can lift about 40 more pounds with low bar, so I use it in competition.
quote:I have never done low bar, so I really don't understand why these are the case. Don't you still have to get to the same position at the bottom? Just seems like high would be a more powerful position.
Low bar uses less knee travel and more hip travel, so it takes a bit more hip/glute power.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:52 pm to AlxTgr
Think about where the bar is in relation to the center of your body. Low bar is closer.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:03 pm to AlxTgr
Low bar helps me in a few ways.
First, high bar, you have to have a more vertical back position or the bar will fold your neck. Low bar, you brace it against your traps and rear delts and need a forward lean to compensate.
The forward lean makes it easier for my hips to break backwards to hit depth. High bar, I have a lot of depth to get from knee travel almost exclusively bc I can't break at the hips as much. I'm 6'3, so I really need the extra ability to get hip travel.
You can also use a wider stance low bar because of the back angle. That helps me hit depth by allowing my knees to move outwards. My bar path is just shorter with low bar.
Finally, I have a pretty strong back. I can deadlift and farmers walk 500+ pounds. Low bar lets you take more advantage of back strength bc you're working at an angle and you can get good morning action that you can't in high bar.
It's individualized, though. There are much stronger guys than me who squat with a higher bar in competition.
First, high bar, you have to have a more vertical back position or the bar will fold your neck. Low bar, you brace it against your traps and rear delts and need a forward lean to compensate.
The forward lean makes it easier for my hips to break backwards to hit depth. High bar, I have a lot of depth to get from knee travel almost exclusively bc I can't break at the hips as much. I'm 6'3, so I really need the extra ability to get hip travel.
You can also use a wider stance low bar because of the back angle. That helps me hit depth by allowing my knees to move outwards. My bar path is just shorter with low bar.
Finally, I have a pretty strong back. I can deadlift and farmers walk 500+ pounds. Low bar lets you take more advantage of back strength bc you're working at an angle and you can get good morning action that you can't in high bar.
It's individualized, though. There are much stronger guys than me who squat with a higher bar in competition.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:20 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Low bar is more comfortable on the back for me
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:27 pm to Rep520
quote:Yeah, I am terrible at dead lift. I am pretty good at keeping the weight centered high bar. I feel like low bar would just bring me down to the ground
Finally, I have a pretty strong back. I can deadlift and farmers walk 500+ pounds. Low bar lets you take more advantage of back strength bc you're working at an angle and you can get good morning action that you can't in high bar.
It's individualized, though. There are much stronger guys than me who squat with a higher bar in competition.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:32 pm to AlxTgr
As a general rule, the stronger at conventional deadlift you are, the better low bar will treat you.
At least that's my experience.
At least that's my experience.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:02 pm to TM32
arse to grass high bar for the win
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:05 pm to Rep520
I deadlift a frick ton for my weight/height and just never fell comfortable with low bar.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Low bar to me feels like I’m wedging the bar between my back and arms. Tough position to get into, but the bar position translates better for powerlifters because it’s a more neutral position at the bottom of the rep which allows you to lift more.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:10 pm to TM32
High Bar all day. Testament of true strength
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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arse to grass high bar for the win
Gross
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:13 pm to jeff5891
Not ATG. Only parallel. Doesn't count....
Weightlifters don't squat or deadlift maximum weights. They high bar because the front squat is more quad dominant. The high bar is pretty much an overloaded front squat.
Weightlifters don't squat or deadlift maximum weights. They high bar because the front squat is more quad dominant. The high bar is pretty much an overloaded front squat.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:24 am to TM32
doing a rotation of high and low along with front squats, zerchers, etc will help
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:53 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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The high bar is pretty much an overloaded front squat.
nah....
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:27 am to TM32
Bumping an old thread since it's a topic I'm now personally getting into.
I'm starting to get enough shoulder mobility to do low bar squats. I've had low back issues in the past and although low bar requires more hip hinge, I feel like I don't get out of balance having to correct for weight shifting forward like I do with high bar. And that has been easier on my back.
I guess my question here is that to be "well rounded", would it not be a good idea to just use low bar for back squats and add in front squads to hit the quads more. I have a few goals in strength I want to hit before adding back in practicing Olympic lifts, then trying to get back into crossfit without injury. Front squats would be a big part of the Olympic lift training, so seems like low bar would be good to stick with for back squats.
I'm starting to get enough shoulder mobility to do low bar squats. I've had low back issues in the past and although low bar requires more hip hinge, I feel like I don't get out of balance having to correct for weight shifting forward like I do with high bar. And that has been easier on my back.
I guess my question here is that to be "well rounded", would it not be a good idea to just use low bar for back squats and add in front squads to hit the quads more. I have a few goals in strength I want to hit before adding back in practicing Olympic lifts, then trying to get back into crossfit without injury. Front squats would be a big part of the Olympic lift training, so seems like low bar would be good to stick with for back squats.
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