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Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:59 pm
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:59 pm
No sharp pains or really any pain at all, but my knees feel like they got worked a little hard in my last set of squats on Friday. Is this pretty normal for a lifting noob? Is it most likely supporting muscles in the knee?

Main question: should I proceed as normal on Monday with squats or maybe lower the weight by 20% or so and work my way back up?

Doing SL 5x5 if it matters.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
4499 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 10:03 am to
Listen to your body.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9220 posts
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:35 am to
Monday, take a bit longer to warmup and on your last warmup set, if it feels sketchy it is. For instance, if your working weight is 225 and your last warmup set at 185 feels rough, just call it over.
Posted by braud2go
Member since Nov 2010
986 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:06 am to
Not to take away from OP, I’ve had pain right above the knee and pain in shin while doing heavy back squats. Only in one leg. Anyone have/had something similar?
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26660 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:15 am to
My knees absolutely suck. I use wraps to give some extra support and it’s alleviated undue stress. Give them a whirl.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:47 am to
OP...I would prolly listen to your body and back off a week if you have been at it a few weeks without a break. But see how it feels on monday.


quote:

My knees absolutely suck. I use wraps to give some extra support and it’s alleviated undue stress. Give them a whirl.


Yall need to get on the knees over toes guy program.
Posted by DixonCider
H-Town
Member since Nov 2015
398 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:01 pm to
I've had my knees repaired more times than I care to admit to and I am and have always been overweight so at 25 I've got 60 year old man knees.

If it continues, some of the biggest relief I've gotten have come from incorporating tumeric into my supplement regimen, as well as creatine.

I also avoid running on squat days and that helps a ton. Plus going lower weight and higher reps on any weights has helped.

Peak training for me is about 25-30mpw with 4 days lifting, plus walking about half the day at work. I definitely feel it when I'm pushing up to those mileages and lifting heavy, but can get pain free again pretty quickly.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26660 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Yall need to get on the knees over toes guy program


I’ve checked him out. The army ruined mine. I can’t run for shite now.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:21 pm to
quote:


I’ve checked him out. The army ruined mine. I can’t run for shite now.



mine to until i found him and started implimenting many of the things i used to do pre army when i used to do dc training and even before that in HS when i was a catcher.

start with the tib raises almost daily and then slowly work the progressions on the ATG split squat then move to the sissy squats.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26660 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:44 pm to
frick it, I’m in. I will start working it in.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:53 pm to
you wont regret it. check the kneesovertoes thread, i posted a link to it all
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2957 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

OP...I would prolly listen to your body and back off a week if you have been at it a few weeks without a break. But see how it feels on monday.


I kept everything the same on Monday and felt fine. No pain or anything. I’ll hold the weight one more time before continuing to add load, but I’m also considering adding reps instead of load. It’s 5x5 right now but maybe I’ll work up to 5x10 before adding weight and back to 5x5.

ETA: there never was pain and I have no history of knee issues or injury. Just nervous because I’m in my late thirties and haven’t done a consistent lifting routine before.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

It’s 5x5 right now but maybe I’ll work up to 5x10 before adding weight and back to 5x5.


That is called double progression and it's a great way to train. I would just add 1 rep per set per workout so it takes 2 weeks to move up in weight.

Just understand you are essentially doubling volume over a 2 week period so make sure you are eating well.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2957 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:54 pm to
That would make it easier to know what weight to increase to and still be close on how difficult the sets will be. Thanks. So start at 5x5, then 5x6 if no fails and good form, then 5x7, and finally increase load at 5x5?
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26660 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:03 pm to
Increases reps before increasing weight is always a smart decision. Not only is it safer, but I find the muscle develops better. That may just be psychosomatic, but I swear I see a better rate of growth.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:59 pm to
Usually increase in volume at same intensity lead to an increase in growth especially as you get closer to failure. That's why I like the gslp better than stronglifts or starting strength as you push last set to failure.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2957 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

Usually increase in volume at same intensity lead to an increase in growth especially as you get closer to failure.


I'll definitely be adopting your suggestions.

To the original topic, had to abandon squat routine today because of a little knee pain in the last warmup set. Going to take a week off from squats and maybe do some high rep leg extensions and leg curls instead.

...or maybe no leg work at all for a week. Dunno.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 1:32 pm to
Have you had your technique checked?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37910 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

leg curls instead


good

quote:

high rep leg extensions


bad

instead of that

perform 2 sets of 25 on tib raises
2 x 25 full depth bw calf raises
3 sets of assisted nordic curls (these will be hard)
atg split squats
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2957 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:35 pm to
No. Been trying to watch instructions on YT to keep it in my mind though. Need to record myself so I can see.
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