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How important is 8 hours of sleep?

Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:41 am
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:41 am
If I’m lucky I’ll get 7. Usually I get around 6
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:49 am to
look up studies on fat loss when participants slept 8 vs 6 and decide for yourself.
Posted by DukeSilver
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:50 am to
Different people need different amounts. Getting the right amount for you is very important.

No one but you would know if 7 is good or if you need more.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:06 am to
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look up studies on fat loss when participants slept 8 vs 6 and decide for yourself.


Got a link, brother?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:16 am to
I feel groggy and shitty past 8 for the day but wake up better. If I get up and fight the alarm at 6.5. - 7 hrs I feel better during the day.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:23 am to
LINK

LINK

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New research by Wang and colleagues (2018) shows us just how detrimental mild sleep deprivation may be for your physique.
For 8 weeks overweight participants slept 1 hour less than normal on working days. They could make up for this in the weekend with 1 hour of extra sleep on both Saturday and Sunday.
Another group of participants could sleep their regular 6 hours and 20 mins every single night.
Both groups were dieting to lose fat, eating around 1400 calories per day.
Seems like the 2 extra hours of sleep during the weekend could not make up for the consistent lack of sleep during the week.
The difference was in the fat-to-muscle loss ratios.
In the sleep deprived, a whopping 83% of total weight loss (~3 kg) was lean mass, while 17% was fat mass.
In contrast, the sound sleepers lost 81% of their weight as fat and 17% as lean mass.
Earlier research supports this stunting of fat loss and muscle preservation: sleeping a little over 5 hours per night more than cut fat loss in half [Nedeltcheva 2010].


from menno on these
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:32 am to
Oh wow thank you
Posted by sp22
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:15 pm to
So this study is 6.5 vs 5.5 hours?
Posted by StringedInstruments
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:59 pm to
If I get full exercise, eat well, have a stress-free day, and practice good sleep hygiene, I'll get a max of 7.5 hours. I don't think I could tell you the last time I got a full 8 hours of sleep. Definitely back when I was a teenager.

I average around 6.5-7 hours of sleep per night. I feel best at 7.5, but I rarely get that much.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:08 pm to
there are other studies

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These findings, presented at the 2006 American Thoracic Society International Conference, showed that women who slept 5 hours per night were 32% more likely to experience major weight gain (an increase of 33 pounds or more) and 15% more likely to become obese over the course of the 16-year study, compared to those who slept 7 hours a night.


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The objective of this longitudinal, observational study was to verify whether a favorable change in sleep duration over 6 years could impact objective indicators of adiposity in adults aged 18–64 years. Short-duration sleepers (?6 h per day; n=43) at baseline were divided into two groups: (i) those who increased their sleep duration to a ‘healthy’ length of 7–8 h per day at year 6 (mean increase: 1.52±0.66 h per day; n=23); and (ii) those who maintained their short sleep duration habits (mean change: -0.11±0.38 h per day; n=20). Adult individuals who reported sleeping 7–8 h per day at both baseline and year 6 (n=173) were used as a control group. Change in adiposity indicators for each sleep-duration group was compared by analysis of covariance. We observed that the two short-sleep-duration groups had similar baseline characteristics. However, short-duration sleepers who maintained their short sleep duration experienced a greater increase in body mass index (BMI) (difference: 1.1±0.36 kg m-2, P<0.05) and fat mass (difference: 2.4±0.64 kg, P<0.05) over the 6-year follow-up period than short-duration sleepers who increased their sleep duration, even after adjustment for relevant covariates. We did not observe any significant difference in adiposity changes between the control group and short-duration sleepers who increased their sleep duration. This study suggests for the first time that shifting sleep duration from a short to a healthier length is associated with an attenuation of fat mass gain.




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Insufficient sleep predicts poor weight loss maintenance after 1 year

Results:
After a diet-induced 13.1 kg weight loss, participants with short sleep duration at randomization regained 5.3 kg body weight (p = .0008) and had less reduction in body fat percentage compared with participants with normal sleep duration (p = .007) during the 1-year weight maintenance phase. Participants with poor sleep quality before the weight loss regained 3.5 kg body weight compared with good quality sleepers (p = .010). During the weight maintenance phase, participants undergoing liraglutide treatment displayed increased sleep duration compared with placebo after 26 weeks (5 vs. -15 min/night) but not after 1 year. Participants undergoing exercise treatment preserved the sleep quality improvements attained from the initial weight loss.

Conclusion:
Short sleep duration or poor sleep quality was associated with weight regain after weight loss in adults with obesity.




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Effects of Experimental Sleep Restriction on Energy Intake, Energy Expenditure, and Visceral Obesity


Results.
With sleep restriction vs control, participants consumed more calories (P=0.015), increasing protein (P=0.050) and fat intake (P=0.046). Energy expenditure was unchanged (all P’s >0.16). Participants gained significantly more weight when exposed to experimental sleep restriction than during control sleep (P=0.008). While changes in total body fat did not differ between conditions (P=0.710), total abdominal fat increased only during sleep restriction (P=0.011), with significant increases evident in both subcutaneous and visceral abdominal fat depots (P=0.047 and P=0.042, respectively).

Conclusions.
Sleep restriction combined with ad libitum food promotes excess energy intake without varying energy expenditure. Weight gain and particularly central accumulation of fat indicate that sleep loss predisposes to abdominal visceral obesity.




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Conclusions
Obtaining extra sleep during the weekend to recover from lost sleep during the workweek is a common self-selected sleep strategy employed by adults. We found that healthy adults exhibited increased caloric intake, had greater consumption of saturated fat, and had substantial late-night eating during repeated exposures to sleep restriction regardless of the number of intervening recovery sleep nights. Importantly, our findings indicate humans do not acclimate to sleep restriction with repeated exposures and that one, three or five nights of catch-up sleep is not sufficient for preventing future hyperphagic responses to sleep restriction. These novel findings are timely, given the worldwide obesity epidemic and the large percentage of adults who consistently sacrifice sleep time for other waking behaviors.


just go to ncbi and search

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Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:52 pm to
Are the results changed by people who consistently work out?
Posted by pwejr88
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 2:43 pm to
I’ve heard podcasts of guys getting jacked and losing fat off 4-5 hours of sleep. Sleep is a huge factor but there’s other things that matter also.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:23 pm to
I actually heard a quick news tidbit today that some study found that keeping a consistent sleep start time may be more important than get the full 8 hrs.

So maybe 6.5-7 might be fine if you go to bed at the same time every night.
Posted by olemissfan26
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:33 pm to
From a longevity standpoint sleep quality helps with brain function just as much as it helps with muscle restoration post-workout and weight loss.

The better quality sleep you get, meaning not drug/alcohol/sleep aid induced, the less likely you are to develop dementia and other degenerative brain issues as you age.

Sleep is magic and we as a society for some reason think it makes you cool to not sleep and wear it as a badge of honor.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 6:41 am
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 6:09 am to
Joe Rogan episode with sleep expert Matthew Walker

It’s so informative
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:47 am to
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Are the results changed by people who consistently work out?


i mean the sleep can be overcome...but its not ideal from a mental/physical health standpoint and not from a results standpoint. im having hard time find the study but there was 1 done on lifters in a deficit where the ones that slept 8 hours lost way more bodyfat than those sleeping 6 hours in the same time frame and the % of lean muscle to fat loss was way way better too


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I’ve heard podcasts of guys getting jacked and losing fat off 4-5 hours of sleep. Sleep is a huge factor but there’s other things that matter also.


thats true. Joe defranco is perfect example...Joe will also tell you...he was a retard for thinking that was some badge of honor and now in his mid 40s he is the leanest he has ever been and 1 of the big things he changed was getting 7-8 hours of sleep every night


circadian rhythm, i.e keeping consistent patters and actually getting to deep sleep makes a big difference too.


my question is...arent you a lawyer? What in the hell do you have going on that would make it hard to get a full 8 hours and a consistent schedule?
Posted by slinger1317
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:01 am to
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For 8 weeks overweight participants slept 1 hour less than normal on working days. They could make up for this in the weekend with 1 hour of extra sleep on both Saturday and Sunday.
Another group of participants could sleep their regular 6 hours and 20 mins every single night.
Both groups were dieting to lose fat, eating around 1400 calories per day.
Seems like the 2 extra hours of sleep during the weekend could not make up for the consistent lack of sleep during the week.
The difference was in the fat-to-muscle loss ratios.
In the sleep deprived, a whopping 83% of total weight loss (~3 kg) was lean mass, while 17% was fat mass.
In contrast, the sound sleepers lost 81% of their weight as fat and 17% as lean mass.


Having a hard time figuring out who is the sleep-deprived group...
You say we need 8 hours, but the group that slept 6:20 each night is the "sound sleepers" group??
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 8:04 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:08 am to
in that study yes

i mean i linked a bunch of different ones. draw your own conclusions.

you do need 8-10 if at all possible. I dont get that but i try.

but do as you want, i linked how to search for the studies. if you want to get 5 and want to find a study to support that, be my guest.
Posted by Vastmind
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:24 pm to
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Both groups were dieting to lose fat, eating around 1400 calories per day.


How can they determine if sleep was responsible when they are eating a starvation diet?
Posted by Vastmind
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:28 pm to
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you do need 8-10 if at all possible


I’ll dig up a study that shows sleeping more than 8 hours causes depression.

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A 2014 studyTrusted Source even suggested that people who sleep for more than 8 hours may experience more depression symptoms than people who sleep 8 hours or fewer each night.


LINK

This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 8:29 pm
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