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re: Help me with the timing of my cut for my beach trip.

Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:10 am to
Posted by lofty
Member since Dec 2019
468 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:10 am to
There's a couple ways to reach your goal of being lean for your beach trip.

1. Get down to 145ish.
2. Build 10lbs muscle with minimal fat gain.

I'd venture #2 is impossible in 4 months but is your best long term goal.

So I'd recommend you eat in a 250 to
500 a day deficit and add in a 60min walk on top of whatever you currently do.

Then in the fall swap to a 250 to 500 cal daily surplus and really push.

The whole time you should be doing squats/deadlifts/bench/ohp 2 to 3 x a week.

Hope you reach your goal
Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
48596 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:34 am to
quote:

What else would make it go away other than losing fat?


Lift heavy.

Eat protein and fruit 3x per day, and toss in 2 low cal protein shakes mid AM and PM.

Don't do any cardio.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5899 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:56 pm to
quote:


Lift heavy.

Eat protein and fruit 3x per day, and toss in 2 low cal protein shakes mid AM and PM.

Don't do any cardio.


100%
Posted by deNYEd
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2007
9703 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:07 pm to
Personally, I would keep macros almost identical outside of possibly dropping 200 calories or so from carbs/fats and start 16/8 IF the last 6 weeks
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:07 am to
quote:

165 lbs.
5’10”
I’d guess somewhere around 18% body fat but it’s all in gut because I’m super prone to skinny fat.
Bench at 210 for reference.

I’ve been gaining decent muscle but gaining fat because I’ve been eating a butt-ton.

Trip is August 19th.
I’d like to keep gaining, one because it’s finally working and two because it’s freakin awesome.

I’ve read that to properly cut, first I need to spend 4-6 weeks in the maintenance phase because cutting too fast can shed muscle and that has happened to me in the past.

When should I start maintenance and how long should I cut?



this isnt that hard and we should be shooting for 5lbs muscle gain, 15lbs fat loss, total of -10

start now-
stick to ppsa
walk 10k steps every day no matter what
8-10 hill sprints 2-3 times a week or if not possible, get on the air bike, do 10s hard, 20s easy for 8 min- 2 times per week to start for months 1, for months 2& 3 do 3 times per week. then month 4 do 4 times per week.

start at 10k steps month 1, month 2-12k, month 3-15k, month 4-18k

for macros- start at for month 1

1750 cals
200g protein
100g carbs
60g fat

for month 2

then
1750 cals
250g protien
75g carbs
50g fat

month 3
1500 cals
200g protien
75g carbs
45g fat


month 4
1500 cals
250g pro
50g carbs
33g fat

do the above and you will be fine come time for the trip
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:44 am to
So glad you’re back. Thanks!
Two questions about your post to make use I understand correctly:

quote:

stick to ppsa
walk 10k steps every day no matter what
8-10 hill sprints 2-3 times a week or if not possible, get on the air bike, do 10s hard, 20s easy for 8 min- 2 times per week to start for months 1, for months 2& 3 do 3 times per week. then month 4 do 4 times per week.


Is what you said under “stick to ppsa” the ppsa info and if not, what ppsa template should I do?


Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Is what you said under “stick to ppsa” the ppsa info and if not, what ppsa template should I do?


i thought you were doing pool season with us.

doesnt matter really on ppsa, just lift 4 times or so a week.

i will say if you are going to do the above, you can start with a harder program to begin as far as volume (like strongville, period table, the mullet, stacked and jacked) and move to one that is less volume on compounds like arm farm, filling out the hoodie etc

what are you currently doing?
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:24 am to
I’ve been in the gym almost four years so have just stuck to what I’ve had progress with. Lifting to failure, lots of hypertrophy with:

Day 1 chest and tri’s
Day 2 back
Day 3 legs
Day 4 shoulders and bi’s

I will say.. I don’t log my reps. I know I need to start to see the PO over time
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:30 am to
you should try ppsa, think you would like the change of pace for sure.

i think you would be really happy if you joined in the pool season month long thread. run it, then pool season 2, then filling out the hoodie 1, then arm farm.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:54 am to
Thanks! I will take that suggestion.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:19 am to
With those macros and being in such a deficit, what’s the science behind me actually gaining muscle during those months?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:38 am to
protein high as frick and lifting progressively. i dunno if you will gain any but you will prolly look like you did and thats all that matters. plus the programs i suggested are heavy on the shoulders and chins that will make you have more of a V shape.
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3761 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:39 am to
since you've been working out for a solid 4 years and are in a deficit I wouldn't worry about trying to gain muscle right now. if you are maintaining strength with a large deficit you're doing good. I would personally stick with the same routine until your cut is over with so it's easier to track. will require you to track reps though. this does not apply to people with high body fat or new to the gym

maybe a couple weeks before the beach trip start incorporating more pump work and increase carbs while keeping calories the same. cut fiber, sodium, and fluids right before the trip. that should have you looking your best when its time to take your shirt off.

eta: just re-read the OP. you have plenty of time to maintain and try new routines for a couple of months before doing a final cut before the trip.
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 11:47 am
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

for macros- start at for month 1

1750 cals
200g protein
100g carbs
60g fat

for month 2

then
1750 cals
250g protien
75g carbs
50g fat


So I don’t need to be in the maintenance phase for a bit to preserve muscle? I can go straight to a cut?
I’ve been at 2500-3000 cals a day for a while now
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:22 pm to
Also for LSU777… should I stay on creatine when cutting?

I read that it helps preserve muscle but I know it will also keep my body full of water.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:40 pm to
no reason to go maintenance, wont lose muscle just water retention that you were holding during the bulk. creatine will help maintain the water in the muscle and strength but its not a must have. if you keep it, cut it out about 3-4 weeks from trip
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:47 pm to
Thanks bud
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37878 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:40 pm to
Still good with 1750 calories a day if my Fitbit Charge 5 is telling my I’m burning 3,000?
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
3002 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:26 pm to
quote:

Still good with 1750 calories a day


That’s so little food. I can’t imagine a full grown man not losing weight at that intake.
Posted by TigerInCbus
Raymond
Member since Feb 2018
361 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 5:31 am to
Another way of looking at all of this, and something that might help you without all of the additional work, is to simply change up what you’ve been doing.

If you’ve been on a bodybuilder type of routine for a while, switch to full body. If you’ve been focused primarily on 8-12 rep ranges for your main lifts, switch to 2-5. If you send a totally different stimulus to your muscles, they’ll grow and adapt.
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