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Good read on the so-called "Mediterranean Diet"
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:10 pm
"The Big Fat Surprise" covers it in depth as well. I enjoyed this first-hand account of a doctor spending a lot of time in Italy.
quote:TL;DR The stateside description of the Diet is essentially a myth. In Italy at least, they eat mostly animal protein. Vegetables and legumes are used sparingly. Bread and pasta are consumed as small side portions and not the main event. LINK
What was more shocking to me was the scarcity of vegetables. I eat more vegetables than the average American, but how did I hold up against the “plant-based” Mediterranean diet? I found myself constantly begging for more vegetables at restaurants. Menus often contained meat or fish dishes with a couple leaves of lettuce, spinach, or arugula. A few potatoes would be served with some dishes, but rarely did they include veggies, except for a couple tomato slices. Oddly enough, when I saw broccoli on the menu and ordered it, the waiter came back empty handed.
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
Diet wars/beliefs aside, eff a bunch of organ meats. Bleh.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:42 pm to Gorilla Fingers
quote:I'm currently in the middle of a campaign to actively get myself to eat them. I just bought a big load of grass fed beef and got the farmer to throw in some offal for free(
Diet wars/beliefs aside, eff a bunch of organ meats. Bleh.
). I don't think tongue/heart should count - that's just muscle. I need to try liver and kidney. In any event, France is the worst for this. I feel like they try to sneak them into everything.Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
I've been to the Mediterranean area enough to say that in Italy and France the main diet consist of carbs and fats (breads and cheeses). They eat very little protein compared to an American diet.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 6:29 pm to Shepherd88
quote:Cheese is very high in protein.
breads and cheeses
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
Cheese is higher in fats than it is proteins. I would certainly not consider it a staple protein source.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 5:45 am to Shepherd88
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I've been to the Mediterranean area enough to say that in Italy and France the main diet consist of carbs and fats (breads and cheeses).
how was you trip to Rome? Did you see the coliseum?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:22 am to Big Scrub TX
My parents went to Venice and all over Greece a short while back. They said the diet was high in fats and oils, a decent bit of protein, and light veggies. They said it was super rich food and that if they ate like that back home, they would have gained 10 lbs in a month.
However they lost weight because they had to walk everywhere and everything is up and down hills and stairs. That's the biggest difference. Exercise
However they lost weight because they had to walk everywhere and everything is up and down hills and stairs. That's the biggest difference. Exercise
Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:45 am to Junky
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how was you trip to Rome? Did you see the coliseum?
Do you feel better now? Mommy's calling, you better go.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:30 am to Shepherd88
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Do you feel better now? Mommy's calling, you better go.
I do now!
obviously I struck a nerve. The whole point of this thread is because the "Mediterranean Diet" itself is a facade. They never ate that way. The actual traditional diet is one that is rich and extremely light on breads. Only after WWII and "American Tourism" did the breads run more rampant. 
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:31 am to Big Scrub TX
I actually came across this website about six months ago.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:38 am to Shepherd88
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I would certainly not consider it a staple protein source.
Why?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:02 am to Mo Jeaux
Because it's higher in fat than it is in protein lol. 14 oz of cheddar cheese which would be about half a daily intake of protein (98g) for a 200lb male would equate to 126 grams of fat. That's an absurd amount.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:26 am to Big Scrub TX
Legumes are often maligned by the Paleo community, but beans were found to be eaten in abundance in the Blue Zones
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:14 pm to Shepherd88
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Because it's higher in fat than it is in protein lol. 14 oz of cheddar cheese which would be about half a daily intake of protein (98g) for a 200lb male would equate to 126 grams of fat. That's an absurd amount.
But you said that those on the "Mediterranean Diet" ate significantly less protein than Americans.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
They don't eat 28oz of cheese in a day either dumbarse.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:46 pm to Shepherd88
quote:Depending on the specific cheese, not much higher. E.g. the "bufala" cheese referenced by the writer of the piece has almost exactly the same fat content as protein content. LINK And I absolutely consider high quality cheese to be a staple protein source. It's one of my go tos.
Cheese is higher in fats than it is proteins. I would certainly not consider it a staple protein source.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:47 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Exercise is not the difference. It's very very hard to burn enough calories to be the difference between "gaining 10 lbs and losing weight". The likely difference was they were simply more sated per meal and not constantly snacking on high calorie carbs in between.
My parents went to Venice and all over Greece a short while back. They said the diet was high in fats and oils, a decent bit of protein, and light veggies. They said it was super rich food and that if they ate like that back home, they would have gained 10 lbs in a month.
However they lost weight because they had to walk everywhere and everything is up and down hills and stairs. That's the biggest difference. Exercise
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:55 pm to Shepherd88
You said exactly this:
quote:It's a doubly perplexing remark because a)you defined "fats" as "cheeses" - and as I've pointed out, most cheese is high in protein, sometimes with as much protein as fat and b)protein is often naturally inherent with fat (e.g. steak or fish). All in all, just not sure what you are saying, but pretty sure you are FOS.
in Italy and France the main diet consist of carbs and fats (breads and cheeses). They eat very little protein compared to an American diet.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
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a)you defined "fats" as "cheeses"
Negative, I've defined Cheese as a staple fat source, not vice versa.
I am very well versed in nutrition, so if you think your fat Intake should match your daily protein intake then you my friend are the one who is FOS.
FYI 1 oz of Salmon (which is considered a fatty fish) contains 5.2g of protein to .2g of Fat.... yea that's not a 1:1 ratio that you're referencing.
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