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re: Cardiologist putting me on the Dash Diet....
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:58 am to lsu777
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:58 am to lsu777
"yea doctors are just straight up nutritional experts"
You know that is not what I said. Additionally, I agree that many physicians are not nutrition experts but some do what they are doing. Much more so that most of the posters on this board. That is not directed at you, BTW.
Anyhow...
In the end, I agree with you on the diet. The DASH diet and its many variants are very similar to what you just described. Outside of eliminating seed oils (which should not be consumed), the rest of the diet is what you described. I don't understand the rub, honestly.
You know that is not what I said. Additionally, I agree that many physicians are not nutrition experts but some do what they are doing. Much more so that most of the posters on this board. That is not directed at you, BTW.
Anyhow...
In the end, I agree with you on the diet. The DASH diet and its many variants are very similar to what you just described. Outside of eliminating seed oils (which should not be consumed), the rest of the diet is what you described. I don't understand the rub, honestly.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:08 am to Grillades
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Much more so that most of the posters on this board.
That’s certainly debatable
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In the end, I agree with you on the diet. The DASH diet and its many variants are very similar to what you just described. Outside of eliminating seed oils (which should not be consumed), the rest of the diet is what you described.
Any diet that recommends seed oils is fundamentally bullshite
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:14 am to Grillades
because the dash diet makes no recommendations on macros or calories...which is where most improvements come from
you can eat 5k calories of exactly what it says on the diet plan and zero protein and you are going to be fat af
it allows for highly processed foods/oils all in the name of "good fats" and cuts red meat and things like butter for more processed things which is crap and all in the name of saturated fats
also it looks to remove salt from the diet when we know sodium in and of itself does not cause any issues with water retention and its more the fluctuation of sodium levels that causes that
it does not prioritize protein and in general is very out dated model
and i would manage to say most people here know way more than 95% of doctors when it comes to nutrition. In fact many people here go way deeper than i ever think necessary.
you can eat 5k calories of exactly what it says on the diet plan and zero protein and you are going to be fat af
it allows for highly processed foods/oils all in the name of "good fats" and cuts red meat and things like butter for more processed things which is crap and all in the name of saturated fats
also it looks to remove salt from the diet when we know sodium in and of itself does not cause any issues with water retention and its more the fluctuation of sodium levels that causes that
it does not prioritize protein and in general is very out dated model
and i would manage to say most people here know way more than 95% of doctors when it comes to nutrition. In fact many people here go way deeper than i ever think necessary.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:26 am to lsu777
While Carditone may help, you can lower your blood pressure without meds or supplement without having to spend $40 per month.
Lower your insulin people. It’s free.
Lower your insulin people. It’s free.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 2:32 pm to lsu777
quote:Eating 5k calories on the “do eat” list would be almost impossible without protein.
you can eat 5k calories of exactly what it says on the diet plan and zero protein and you are going to be fat af
Would have to eat so much quantity man
Is the dash diet the best? No. But for average people it’s a great start that’s easy to follow. Not everyone is going to go from eating like a slob to a macro bro
If doctors tried to talk to average fatties like yall do with diets and such they would completely lose the patient 10 seconds in
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 2:37 pm to lsupride87
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If doctors tried to talk to average fatties like yall do with diets and such they would completely lose the patient 10 seconds in
What they’re doing is certainly working. We should just keep doing that
Posted on 12/25/24 at 3:23 pm to lsupride87
Counting calories and protein loses people?
Posted on 12/25/24 at 3:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What they’re doing is certainly working. We should just keep doing that
Certainly if they have people a macro talk it would work. Truth is nothing matters. Fatties are fat not because they are eating the “wrong things”, they are choosing to eat too many things
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 3:32 pm to lsu777
quote:Yes.
Counting calories and protein loses people?
The types of people willing to actually track their nutrients will never ever be fat
Fatties are either
1. Dumb as hell
2. Unwilling to do what it takes
3. Both
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 6:43 pm to lsupride87
Then put them on glp1 and just get it over with
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:19 pm to Grillades
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Outside of eliminating seed oils (which should not be consumed),
I still haven’t heard a good argument of why seed oils are bad?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:01 am to Howyouluhdat
they tend to cause lots of inflammation. They are not good.
they also arent the issue causing weight gain either
but certainly something you should try and avoid as much as possible. Quite a few negatives with them and no real upside.
they also arent the issue causing weight gain either
but certainly something you should try and avoid as much as possible. Quite a few negatives with them and no real upside.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:51 am to Howyouluhdat
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:16 pm to Shepherd88
Yes the over indulgence of anything is not particularly good for you. That’s not some groundbreaking concept. A grown man can have up to 18 grams of linoleic acid per day and be totally fine. Most aren’t getting that. No reason to fear monger about every damn food out there. It’s totally fine to have a mixture of oils in your diet.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 8:39 pm to Howyouluhdat
Most are getting that. And that is the point.
If you can’t read into the data pointing to this then you’re just an ignorant fool.
If you can’t read into the data pointing to this then you’re just an ignorant fool.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 5:59 am to Shepherd88
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If you can’t read into the data pointing to this then you’re just an ignorant
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with studies showing that average adult men intake around 16 grams and women around 12.6 grams daily
Nothing wrong with this
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:15 am to Howyouluhdat
LINK
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with studies showing that average adult men intake around 16 grams and women around 12.6 grams daily Nothing wrong with this
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The standard American diet comprises 14 to 25 times more omega-6 fatty acids than omega-3 fatty acids, with the majority of omega-6 intake coming from LA. As LA consumption increases, the potential for OXLAM formation also increases. OXLAMs have been associated with various illnesses, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and Alzheimer’s disease, among others.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to Shepherd88
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The standard American diet comprises 14 to 25 times more omega-6 fatty acids than omega-3 fatty acids, with the majority of omega-6 intake coming from LA. As LA consumption increases, the potential for OXLAM formation also increases.
All this is saying is stop eating so much LA. Show me a comprehensive clinical study that shows that consuming normal levels of LA is bad for you?
Just like sugar, cigarettes, alcohol, tea, Brazil nuts, etc . Consume any of them in large amounts and it's not good for you
You have all of these "nutritional experts" get online claiming to not eat this and don't eat that and provide zero food science facts behind it and people believe it. They say that companies put deodorizers(Paul Saladino)in seed oils to mask the rancidness of the oil which is completely false but keeps getting regurgitated online like it's fact. Just like the whole organic vs non-organic argument. It's all bullshite. LINK
LINK
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:47 am to WigSplitta22
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:52 am to WigSplitta22
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Just like sugar, cigarettes, alcohol, tea, Brazil nuts, etc . Consume any of them in large amounts and it's not good for you
One of the dumber comments I’ve read in a while. One cigarette or a little alcohol is not going to kill you, obviously, but it’s certainly bad for you. 1 cigarette is worse than 0, 2 is worse than 1, etc.
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