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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:16 pm to Dawgsontop34
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It doesn’t suck because it’s firm and fast. It sucks because it’s too long, narrow, and the greens are poorly designed, especially for how windy it gets there
There's no point in trying to reason with these idiots, they think Greg Norman is a good architect.
Again, they are the reason for the decline in the game. Pandering for long penal rough and narrow fairways. Despicable
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:16 pm to Dawgsontop34
Too long and narrow? Wtf lol
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:17 pm to Rusty Scroggins
Now you think u know what architects I like. Lmao. You are a clown.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:18 pm to hehateme2285
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"Narrow fairways bordered by long grass make bad golfers. They do so by destroying the harmony and continuity of the game, and in causing a stilted and cramped style by destroying all freedom of play."
-Dr. Alister Mackenzie
Alister MacKenzie is an idiot
-ell_13
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:18 pm to Rusty Scroggins
quote:You realize that most of the "trouble" in the old design would be completely carried and avoided by all of the long guys? When the average driver carry increases 40 yards over 20 years, it can't stay the same.
Its manufacturing difficulty and eliminating half or more of the field before the first tee shot is ever hit.
quote:You're right. The scores would be the exact same without the redesigns. WTF?
Wouldn't happen
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:18 pm to BallChamp00
Ell have fun arguing with this dude. He’s 12 and played golf once. But hey he reads articles!
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:19 pm to hehateme2285
quote:I read that and was ready to post it as proof of adding difficulty and how the scoring was with reigned in or kept steady thanks to the length and rough changes along with the trees. It served the purpose of keeping the scores down as intended.
There's an article of what he's basically trying to say.
But I knew he wouldn't take it that way and ignore those points.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:19 pm to ell_13
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You realize that most of the "trouble" in the old design would be completely carried and avoided by all of the long guys? When the average driver carry increases 40 yards over 20 years, it can't stay the same.
I've never said bring the tees back to 6500 yards, I said length isn't the answer. They could play Augusta at 7100 or 7200 yards wider and with less trees and the scores would be the same as they are at 7500+ and more players would have a chancr to win
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:20 pm to BallChamp00
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He wants the tour to play at Sherwood Forest while dormant.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:20 pm to BallChamp00
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Now you think u know what architects I like
If you read their writing or listen to what they say, or hell, just look at what they build its pretty clear.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:20 pm to Rusty Scroggins
quote:I'll play your game... Link?
They could play Augusta at 7100 or 7200 yards wider and with less trees and the scores would be the same as they are at 7500+ and more players would have a chancr to win
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:22 pm to ell_13
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I'll play your game... Link?
Why post links when you can just see the results of golf courses that actually employ those design characteristics?
You won't use that though because you are dead set that shitty courses using manufactured penalties is good
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:26 pm to Rusty Scroggins
quote:If you want to play links with no trees every round and think that's what pros should always play, go eat a dick.
just look at what they build its pretty clear.
Guys like MacKenzie "built" by utilizing the existing surroundings. They hardly ever added nuance themselves but rather chose areas that came with it. They'd remove obstacles to fit their design rather than clearing out and having the vision to add. It wasn't wrong or bad; simply a different era and approach. And it worked for that time and those golfers whose length was half of what today's guys can hit. Using him as a barometer is a fricking joke.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:26 pm to Rusty Scroggins
quote:You're welcome to link those then.
the results of golf courses that actually employ those design characteristics?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:27 pm to ell_13
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Using him as a barometer is a fricking joke.
Yeah man let's use Rees Jones or Jack Nicklaus as a barometer instead
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:35 pm to ell_13
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Guys like MacKenzie "built" by utilizing the existing surroundings
to be fair, performing extensive earthwork was a lot more difficult when he built than it is today
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:37 pm to BallChamp00
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Too long and narrow? Wtf lol
TPC San Antonio is 7400+ yards with one of the lowest driving accuracy percentages on tour if I’m not mistaken.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:41 pm to Rusty Scroggins
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There's no point in trying to reason with these idiots, they think Greg Norman is a good architect.
His course in the Bahamas they play for the web is fun to watch, but an absolute disaster from an architecture standpoint.
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