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ell_13
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
No doubt. That's what I'm saying. He did great with what he had to work with but that came with extensive limitation compared to today. Golf was born as a "wide open" sport with things like sand traps added in wide open, cut fields. Certainly, not every course should be this way today and I don't see a problem with these changes.
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CoachChappy
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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They could play Augusta at 7100 or 7200 yards wider and with less trees and the scores would be the same as they are at 7500+ and more players would have a chancr to win


Well no shite. Shit, let's make every course shorter, wider, and with fewer trees. I would like my chances to play well too.


lsupride87
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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If Jack had today's equipment back in his day, he would've torched that place.


This is what Tiger torched Augusta with in 1997





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Rusty Scroggins
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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Well no shite. Shit, let's make every course shorter, wider, and with fewer trees. I would like my chances to play well too.


You'd probably walk off the course with the same score either way and think to yourself "man how did I shoot so high, there's no trees or rough" which is the literal objective of good design.


CoachChappy
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
That’s laughable.


Rusty Scroggins
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That’s laughable.


How so? Have you ever played a classicaly designed course or do you stick to gems like the farm is Carencro?


CoachChappy
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
I guess not man. Tell me where I can go play, so I can be on your level as a course design savant.


Rusty Scroggins
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I guess not man. Tell me where I can go play, so I can be on your level as a course design savant.


Why don't you expand a bit on your archetetual studies instead of simple "you're wrong" retorts. It seems I have done far more research including playing courses (including some that have hosted majors) designed by the architects I've referenced.


CoachChappy
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
Stop the BS. Where have you played that I should go play? And as much shite as you are talking about Augusta National, where have you played that’s a better design?


Rusty Scroggins
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Where have you played that I should go play?


You can start with Dallas Golf Club, Cedar Crest Country Club, Colonial Country Club, Walnut Hill Country Club. Those are all cheap options that have nice designs. I'll be at Bandon before too long. I've also seen Trinity Forrest among others.

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And as much shite as you are talking about Augusta National


I haven't shite on it, it's still good as I've said, but it could be better.

Eta forgot The Greenbriar
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icegator337
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
Baw, you’ve just been entirely too pretentious throughout this entire thread. You’re stating every one of your opinions as fact instead of acknowledging different strokes for different folks. Every course from the golden age isn’t that fricking great and every one since then isn’t dog shite. They might not be for you but the consistent shite talking holier than thou attitude you’ve taken is absurd. From the beginning of this thread when you referenced October conditions as what to expect from dormant Bermuda you’ve been insufferable.

You might prefer the older strategic options presented by the architects you’ve referenced but a lot of ppl enjoy the stiff test presented by a narrow tree lined golf course. Doesn’t make the other wrong


FredBear
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
I would be firmly against it but that is probably just the old man traditionalist in me.

The same thing causes me to be against moving the PGA to May but whether I like it or not it's happening


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Rusty Scroggins
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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a lot of ppl enjoy the stiff test presented by a narrow tree lined golf course. Doesn’t make the other wrong


Yes it does, it's what's killing the game.


icegator337
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Yes it does, it's what's killing the game

the stuffy pretentious attitude you've shown is what drives people away from the game


Rusty Scroggins
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the stuffy pretentious attitude you've shown is what drives people away from the game


I play munis all the time with guys that shoot 100 and I play with scratch or better guys, I'll go play anywhere. But, all of the tree lined development courses have driven a bad player away. Number 1 moving all that dirt to build them was expensive so the green fees are high. Two, they beat the shite out of the high handicapper to the point its not fun. Three, they lose a dozen or more balls adding in another $25+ to their already overpriced round.

Look, I play a lot of these courses I deem bad all the time and have fun because it's still better than doing a lot of other things, but this is the golf board full of people that want to discuss golf.


ell_13
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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all of the tree lined development courses have driven a bad player away
Oh really?
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moving all that dirt to build them was expensive so the green fees are high.
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they beat the shite out of the high handicapper to the point its not fun.
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they lose a dozen or more balls adding in another $25+ to their already overpriced round.


Rusty Scroggins
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
From your own article the growth was from places like Top Golf. Something like 200 more courses closed than opened last year.

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“On-course, green-grass participation is holding its own and off-course is continuing to grow. There’s no denying that we’re down from our pre-recession highs, but it appears to us that traditional participation is stabilizing and there may be a new support level between 23 million and 24 million.”


ell_13
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
That's the total, you idiot. The first paragraph:

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Golf welcomed a record number of first-time players in 2017, with the 2.6 million beginners eclipsing the numbers set when Tiger Woods was in his prime and drawing a wealth of newcomers to the game around the turn of the century.


First time players... the bad ones... are playing more golf than ever.

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Rusty Scroggins
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
Right and most of those are not playing on courses.


CoachChappy
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re: Thoughts on the Players becoming a Major Championship?
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A total of 456 million rounds of traditional golf were played throughout the U.S. in 2017, a decrease of 2.7% that may be attributable to weather-related fluctuation.


Our pain is real folks


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