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Science of green keeping
Posted on 9/5/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/5/22 at 4:31 pm
Webb was playing great. Few weeks back their aerated and sanded.
I realize that is normal upkeep.
Now the greens play like absolute shute.
Of course it’s wet, etc. but I mean. Bald sandy spots all over
I realize that is normal upkeep.
Now the greens play like absolute shute.
Of course it’s wet, etc. but I mean. Bald sandy spots all over
Posted on 9/5/22 at 5:24 pm to BRsundog
Greens are completely unnatural and need constant close care.
Weekly sanding
Rolling
Feeding
Disease control
Spoon feeding particular nutrients
Very few public courses can afford complete care. In fact, the majority of private courses can’t either.
Inundating rains can destroy months of good work.
Just the way it is.
Weekly sanding
Rolling
Feeding
Disease control
Spoon feeding particular nutrients
Very few public courses can afford complete care. In fact, the majority of private courses can’t either.
Inundating rains can destroy months of good work.
Just the way it is.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 6:38 pm to Lou the Jew from LSU
The amount of rain BR got in August would be very tough for greens that may not drain the best
Posted on 9/6/22 at 8:21 am to BRsundog
Baton Rouge has awful weather for golf. People think otherwise but it isn't easy. Drought then flood then hurricane then rain every day then snow then freeze then heat wave. It is crazy. The greenskeepers here working with extremely tight budgets are pulling every lever imaginable and never know what is next. Imagine trying to plan when to put expensive chemicals out here? Forecast shows no rain. You put chemical out then it floods for a month washing it all away through the sandy soil.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:32 pm to BRsundog
The best golf courses in the world are in the desert!
Computer program has 26 recorded days of rain totaling 14 inches since August 1 on my course. It’s a quagmire out there!
Computer program has 26 recorded days of rain totaling 14 inches since August 1 on my course. It’s a quagmire out there!
Posted on 9/6/22 at 6:08 pm to RMGC
I know we always focus on the rain in BR, but lack of sunshine is what really kills greens. For a grass cut at 1/8”, it’s just not possible to keep a quality product with no sun.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:32 pm to BonesMalone
Is there any movement toward doing artificial grass like they’ve done with football?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 9:38 am to LG2BAMA
People have backyard artificial greens that are nice, but have very limited traffic and are easy to maintain.
On a much larger scale, their still needs to be maintenance performed daily to keep the surface smooth.
Even putt-putt courses have a hard time maintaining their surfaces.
On a much larger scale, their still needs to be maintenance performed daily to keep the surface smooth.
Even putt-putt courses have a hard time maintaining their surfaces.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:03 am to BonesMalone
I believe the issue is heat in summer and ones that putt well don't hold a shot well and ones that hold a shot well don't putt well.
I think they could figure out some of that shot stuff but not the heat factor.
Plus the upfront investment.
Daily maintenance is manageable and way easier than real greens plus no chemicals and water to worry with.
If they figure out the shot/putt stuff I could see courses with cooler temps considering it.
I think they could figure out some of that shot stuff but not the heat factor.
Plus the upfront investment.
Daily maintenance is manageable and way easier than real greens plus no chemicals and water to worry with.
If they figure out the shot/putt stuff I could see courses with cooler temps considering it.
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/7/22 at 10:45 am to BonesMalone
quote:
People have backyard artificial greens that are nice, but have very limited traffic and are easy to maintain.
On a much larger scale, their still needs to be maintenance performed daily to keep the surface smooth.
Even putt-putt courses have a hard time maintaining their surfaces.
pretty sure it's basically impossible to check a ball up on an artificial green. They're fine for putting, but hitting shots into them not so much. You'd have to have taller artificial turf to hold balls on the green, and that would obviously not be conducive to putting on the same green. They also wouldn't be cost effective.
And like you said, those turf greens would get beat to hell very quickly, and you can't just regrow turf like you can grass.
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Only two architects predict that a full 18-hole course made of artificial turf will be built sometime in the next 10 years. Most feel the tremendous cost of synthetic materials would not be recouped by savings in water and chemicals because of the short shelf life of synthetics. Others, like Kansas City architect Todd Clark and his associate Brent Hugo, are unsatisfied with the performance of artificial turf on several par-3 courses they’ve built. “The greens that putt well won’t hold a shot,” Hugo says, “while if we add enough resilience to hold shots, they putt erratically.”
golfdigest.com/story/a-full-18-hole-course-of-synthetic-turf-we-surveyed-20-course-architects-about-the-future-of-design-here-are-their-predictions
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:30 pm to lsufball19
the artificial turf conversation is a joke right. You guys complain when we put you on the driving range matts, due to rain and catch y'all hitting from infront of the matts on the grass all the time. artificaial turf on football and baseball is horrible and responsible for 90% of the injuries. if a university would give a qualified turf manager the cost of artificaial split out over 8 years, they would have an awesome field, unfortunalty backwards economics a pushy boosters want artifical turf.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:42 pm to leblanc272
quote:
the artificial turf conversation is a joke right.
I don't think people are joking. I think people who pay so little for golf either cannot complain about sketchy greens or be open to other options like artificial turf.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 4:06 pm to BonesMalone
quote:
I know we always focus on the rain in BR, but lack of sunshine is what really kills greens. For a grass cut at 1/8”, it’s just not possible to keep a quality product with no sun.
Incorrect.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 6:10 pm to BRsundog
What do you expect from Webb? Even though Brec has loads of money, I’ll never expect a nice course.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:41 pm to ThatMakesSense
Incorrect.
Enlighten me…..
Enlighten me…..
Posted on 9/7/22 at 8:41 pm to 3BlockUber
They need to increase all green fees by $10 across the board and close periodically on a Monday for maintenance and have real marshalls that enforce course rules and pace of play.
Also to offfer a decent food and becerage option would be useful as well.
Also to offfer a decent food and becerage option would be useful as well.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 6:54 pm to BonesMalone
quote:
Enlighten me…..
BR and Louisiana has plenty of natural sunlight to produce quality greens. It’s not the dark side of the Moon.
There are plenty of products available to provide sugars for the carbohydrate process to feed greens, and continue photosynthesis in the event of low light or even absence of sunlight.
It boils down to the haves and have nots. You can’t have a Dom taste on a Natty Lite budget. It’s simple.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 7:20 pm to ThatMakesSense
quote:
BR and Louisiana has plenty of natural sunlight to produce quality greens. It’s not the dark side of the Moon.
There are plenty of products available to provide sugars for the carbohydrate process to feed greens, and continue photosynthesis in the event of low light or even absence of sunlight.
It boils down to the haves and have nots. You can’t have a Dom taste on a Natty Lite budget. It’s simple.
I don't know you don't mention the downpours and crazy storms in this. You need more budget because you can watch your chemicals wash away on a 0% chance of rain day.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:00 pm to ThatMakesSense
There are plenty of products available to provide sugars for the carbohydrate process to feed greens, and continue photosynthesis in the event of low light or even absence of sunlight.
Can I please have this list of products that provide synthetic sunlight? It’s amazing what you learn on this site!
Can I please have this list of products that provide synthetic sunlight? It’s amazing what you learn on this site!
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