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re: Rory's take
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:49 am to bstaceyau19
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:49 am to bstaceyau19
quote:He literally said it’s okay because now the PGA gets to decide how to use the money.
I do not think he is ok with it. I think he is resigned to the fact that it is there and not going away.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:51 am to iwyLSUiwy
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He seems to be one of the only players that knew this was coming and already had his words lined up.
This just goes to show how ignorant most professional golfers are regarding the larger business situation in the world of golf. Anyone who saw how the PGA Tour was struggling to keep up with the blank checks that LIV had to play with and saw how LIV Golf was losing money hand over fist and had no prospects in the near future to rectify that situation could see that something like this was just a matter of time.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:52 am to ell_13
He has said that since last summer, it isn’t new from him.
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He has been ok with Saudi money as long as it’s funding a unified golf league playing within the historical parameters of golf. The “lol Rory” angle some people seem to be running with makes no sense
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He has been ok with Saudi money as long as it’s funding a unified golf league playing within the historical parameters of golf. The “lol Rory” angle some people seem to be running with makes no sense
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:53 am to WDE24
My feel is that if you were in a coma for 8 years starting in 2020, you'll wake up in 2028 and not realize there was a change in golf.
-LIV folds.
-PGA stays the same it just has an influx of cash from the PIF.
-There is a change in off the course stuff and the tours ability to be a for profit entity, and that may change the ways some people get paid but doesn't change the overall om course product.
-There are more worldwide events.
-LIV folds.
-PGA stays the same it just has an influx of cash from the PIF.
-There is a change in off the course stuff and the tours ability to be a for profit entity, and that may change the ways some people get paid but doesn't change the overall om course product.
-There are more worldwide events.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:01 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
It will be interesting to see how player pay evolves. The huge pay days from LIV were to entice players away from the PGA. The increased pay from the PGA was to try to retain the players on the PGA. Without those competing interests, the need for the players to get these huge payouts changes. The players might have to unionize to keep their share of the pie.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:07 pm to bstaceyau19
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This just goes to show how ignorant most professional golfers are regarding the larger business situation in the world of golf.
Like not going to LIV when they had a chance. Those guys are definitely ignorant. Just from a business perspective, Rory and Tiger were dumb. Tiger is one of the richest athletes in the world, but turning down 800 million for playing in probably the same amount of tournaments he did on Tour over a year and a half, is now a bad business decision. Same for Rory, Hideki, Zalatoris (he really missed out), Rickie, mid tier guys etc.
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Anyone who saw how the PGA Tour was struggling to keep up with the blank checks that LIV had to play with and saw how LIV Golf was losing money hand over fist and had no prospects in the near future to rectify that situation could see that something like this was just a matter of time.
You can see it coming, like many players already stated they did, but be left in the dark by the commissioner/tour. Rory wasn't told about this weeks ago because he is a great businessman. Tour guys can't help it if they are not being told something.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
For someone as rich as tiger, I think protecting the brand and legacy is more important
Tiger will be honorary starter at the masters, the face of golf, etc. Fair or unfair, do you see Phil getting those opportunities going forward? Hard to see it now
Taking the money is fine, and makes sense for some, but for tiger, I think the above was more important to him
Tiger will be honorary starter at the masters, the face of golf, etc. Fair or unfair, do you see Phil getting those opportunities going forward? Hard to see it now
Taking the money is fine, and makes sense for some, but for tiger, I think the above was more important to him
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:16 pm to lsupride87
Tiger grew the game of golf. All of these assholes are ruining it.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:20 pm to ell_13
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Rory is rationalizing it as best he can like I said.
Rory is extremely disingenuous. He has been throughout this entire process.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:31 pm to bstaceyau19
Rory is tone deaf and has been from day 1. He got his money before he even started his career. Nearly all the LIV guys didn't. Who is he to say someone shouldn't take hundreds of millions of dollars after he already got his.
For him to say the LIV guys irrevocably harmed the PGA tour is moronic at best. At worst it is just a flat out lie.
For him to want a pound of flesh for the guys to come back to the PGA isn't going to end well for him and people who think like that.
He did admit some things and that was refreshing. He seems intelligent but is not getting good advice. I think it has been proven that being the Jay's poster boy has proven to be an ill fated venture.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:32 pm to lsupride87
I think Tiger has shown that his brand is almost invincible. The debacle with his wife, drunk driving, speeding crash. There have been numerous things that would have ruined other guys legacy, but Tiger's brand has shown can withstand just about anything.
None of the LIV guys, outside of Phil, are taking a big hit in their reputation. The big time guys that left come away as winners and looking smart. DJ and and Cam are two of my favorite golfers and I'm glad they got a massive pay day for a year and a half of easy work. I don't view them any different. I don't think most fans will, and I think most of the players didn't care all that much. I'm sure DJ has just as many friends on tour as he did when he left. Minus maybe Rory, I don't know. If Tiger never came out and spoke against LIV, took the 800 mil, and came back two years later, a few years down the road nobody would care. I personally would have thought it was brilliant on his part.
Phil is a different story. I can still see him being an honorary starter down the road simply because I think this will all blow over in the long run. Maybe not, but they let him play in it while he was at LIV, I can't see them trying to act like he was not one of the best golfers of his generation and one of the better players at the Masters ever. Not sure what other guy they'd have up there teeing it up with him as a 75 year old. Not really many guys other than Tiger and Phil in that age bracket that have a big time legacy. Maybe not, but if I had to guess, they won't withhold certain honorary things from him.
None of the LIV guys, outside of Phil, are taking a big hit in their reputation. The big time guys that left come away as winners and looking smart. DJ and and Cam are two of my favorite golfers and I'm glad they got a massive pay day for a year and a half of easy work. I don't view them any different. I don't think most fans will, and I think most of the players didn't care all that much. I'm sure DJ has just as many friends on tour as he did when he left. Minus maybe Rory, I don't know. If Tiger never came out and spoke against LIV, took the 800 mil, and came back two years later, a few years down the road nobody would care. I personally would have thought it was brilliant on his part.
Phil is a different story. I can still see him being an honorary starter down the road simply because I think this will all blow over in the long run. Maybe not, but they let him play in it while he was at LIV, I can't see them trying to act like he was not one of the best golfers of his generation and one of the better players at the Masters ever. Not sure what other guy they'd have up there teeing it up with him as a 75 year old. Not really many guys other than Tiger and Phil in that age bracket that have a big time legacy. Maybe not, but if I had to guess, they won't withhold certain honorary things from him.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:37 pm to bstaceyau19
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Without telling the subsidiary
The subsidiary and the parent are the same for all intents and purposes. Yasir runs it all
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:37 pm to ell_13
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One part you missed was the Rory really didn’t like that people have described this as the PGA merging with LIV. He wants people to understand that LIV and the PIF are completely different entities. It’s how he’s rationalizing his hatred for one and accepting money from the other. And he wants everyone else to rationalize it that way as well. Kinda feel bad for him.
I don’t think it requires much rationalization. It’s very clear to me the Saudis only used LIV to get into golf. Once they were in they got rid of LIV and merged with the PGA as quick as they could. LIV is finished as is, which is why Norman and the players have been left in the dark. Obviously the big name guys don’t give a shite. They got fat money and will be welcomed back to the PGA.
I feel bad for guys who won’t make it on the pga tour and felt like LIV was their meal ticket. Fortunately for them they got paid well.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:40 pm to lsupride87
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The “lol Rory” angle some people seem to be running with makes no sense
They are laughing at the fact he likely had a $500Mm offer for 1.5 years of golf that he turned down.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:41 pm to bstaceyau19
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Thinks there still need to be some consequences for guys who left the PGA Tour. Said that Jay made that point in the meeting.
He is just pissed that the PGA higher ups sold him a bunch of bullshite.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:48 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Phil is a different story. I can still see him being an honorary starter down the road simply because I think this will all blow over in the long run.
It will blow over because it will end up being good for golf. Rich Lerner, Brandel Chamblee, and Eamon Lynch are just butthurt because they, like Rory, were sacrificial lambs that parroted for Jay Monahan and the PGA Tour for a year and a half and made to look like fools.
No one will give a shite about this in five years if all goes well. Wouldn't shock me if Phil is eventually a Ryder Cup captain.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:01 pm to ell_13
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Literally no one has mentioned that court case as a reason for this deal taking place except for Rory today.
Seen it all over
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:03 pm to Eat Your Crow
Rory had been really quiet the last few months. Maybe he did know more than he is saying now?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:06 pm to Dire Wolf
It’s been mentioned in the timeline but no one has said it was a catalyst.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:18 pm to ell_13
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Literally no one has mentioned that court case as a reason for this deal taking place except for Rory today.
you need to find more than a single source for info.
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