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Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:45 am to COTiger
LIV Contracts Revealed
It is behind a paywall, but you can see that LIV contracts are required to wear LIV apparel, can't give interviews without approval, and are required to recruit more players to LIV.
It is behind a paywall, but you can see that LIV contracts are required to wear LIV apparel, can't give interviews without approval, and are required to recruit more players to LIV.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:10 pm to RedHawk
Here's an article from Golf Digest not behind a paywall
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Among the provisions in the contract, according to the WSJ report, is that players are asked to wear LIV apparel while playing in both LIV and non-LIV events, and that most non-LIV logos that players wear require approval as well any logos on branded products used at events. The example in the contract of the later is the logo found on a coffee mug. The contract offers an exception for players to wear the “the brand of a third-party supplier of golf equipment on the side of their hat.”
The report continues by saying that players are asked not to give interviews related to an “event or league activity” without approval from LIV management. They also must help in the recruiting of other golfers to join LIV. The language in the contract specifies that players agree to “where requested, assist the League Operator in seeking to persuade players to enter into multiyear player participation agreements with the League Operator.”
The contract is structured so that players are defined as independent contractors, but it does state that the players must participate in all of LIV events, without the option to pick and choose an individual schedule. The contract also limited players' media rights, an interesting fact given that one of Mickelson’s chief complaints with the PGA Tour and one of the reasons he’d cited for considering joining LIV Golf was because of the tour’s restrictions on players’ media rights.
To date, details of specific player contracts with LIV Golf have not been made public. Player contracts entered into court filings during the recent suit by LIV golfers against the PGA Tour have been sealed, and lawyers for players and the tour avoided offering specifics during oral arguments last week during a hearing in which three players sought a temporary restraining order to compete in the FedEx Cup Playoffs.
The WSJ report said that it was unclear whether the terms in the draft contract are included in all LIV contracts or whether players can negotiate on any of them.
The draft contract also did not outline any of appearance fees that players are reported to be receiving. It’s believed those deals are included as riders that are specific to an individual player’s contract. But another financial incentive was revealed in the contract: players can earn a $1 million bonus if they win any of the four men’s majors.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:25 pm to lsufball19
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players must participate in all of LIV events, without the option to pick and choose an individual schedule.
So there it is as expected.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:32 pm to lsufball19
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is that players are asked to wear LIV apparel while playing in both LIV and non-LIV events, and that most non-LIV logos that players wear require approval as well any logos on branded products used at events.
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players are asked not to give interviews related to an “event or league activity” without approval from LIV management.
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They also must help in the recruiting of other golfers to join LIV.
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but it does state that the players must participate in all of LIV events, without the option to pick and choose an individual schedule.
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The contract is structured so that players are defined as independent contractors
Sounds like they get treated like employees, but taxed as independent contractors.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:34 pm to TDTOM
Yeah, some interesting things in there. Sounds like LIV has a lot more control over players than the PGA ever has, but they're paying them a ton more money so I guess it's a fair trade idk. There's an article elsewhere that adds that players are free to play other worldwide events but not if they are on weeks where LIV has an event scheduled. So this whole independent contractor angle they've been pushing sounds like a lot of bullshite. They sound more like employees of LIV with the option to also take contract jobs elsewhere if they don't interfere with their LIV schedules.
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Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:41 pm to lsufball19
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Yeah, some interesting things in there. Sounds like LIV has a lot more control over players than the PGA ever has, but they're paying them a ton more money so I guess it's a fair trade idk.
Would think that hurts their lawsuit. They signed with a competitor so to claim that the PGA is a monopoly is far fetched IMO.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:48 pm to RedHawk
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Would think that hurts their lawsuit. They signed with a competitor so to claim that the PGA is a monopoly is far fetched IMO.
Maybe, maybe not. I've said for awhile I think the biggest exposure the Tour has regarding anti-trust issues are allegations of collusion and coercion with sponsors, major execs, tv networks, etc to block LIV out of the market. I do, however, think this may have been one of the reasons why the TRO was denied.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:58 pm to lsufball19
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The contract also limited players' media rights, an interesting fact given that one of Mickelson’s chief complaints with the PGA Tour and one of the reasons he’d cited for considering joining LIV Golf was because of the tour’s restrictions on players’ media rights.
While this is only a draft contract and the final one may be different, if this clause is in Phil's contract then he's a bigger chode than I thought.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 2:02 pm to Righteous Dude
I was going to say the more that comes out the worse Phil looks. On paper it looks like LIV is more restrictive than the pga tour.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 2:06 pm to Swagga
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On paper it looks like LIV is more restrictive than the pga tour.
Of course it is. There's guaranteed money. That's the model. If anyone was under the impression these guys weren't going to be contracted to play all the LIV events, they're retarded.
These guys are signing contracts to play the LIV events. The weeks there aren't LIV events they can play wherever they please. I didn't think that was ever in dispute or an unknown thing.
The branding and sponsorship restrictions along with the media rights are the only thing of interest in that article.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 3:15 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Of course it is. There's guaranteed money. That's the model. If anyone was under the impression these guys weren't going to be contracted to play all the LIV events, they're retarded.
So again, 14 LIV events, 4 majors and either Ryder or President's cup. What is left to play for on the PGA Tour? A lot of guys on LIV won't want to play more than 20 events a year with the money they are making.
Should the PGA Tour feel so lucky that a LIV player decides to grace them with their presence for an event or two a year? That isn't going to save the PGA Tour at all and would be insulting.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 4:58 pm to RedHawk
I agree with this.
IMO...LIV players should not be able to play in PGA Tour events. However, the OWGR does need to include the LIV players. It's a joke to say that Dustin Johnson is no longer a top 20 player in the world.
IMO...LIV players should not be able to play in PGA Tour events. However, the OWGR does need to include the LIV players. It's a joke to say that Dustin Johnson is no longer a top 20 player in the world.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:05 pm to SDwhodat
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However, the OWGR does need to include the LIV players. It's a joke to say that Dustin Johnson is no longer a top 20 player in the world.
For sure. But there were also OWGR rules in place that new Tours have to abide by. That’s why LIV is making changes on the # of events.
On top of that, the rules include having events with cuts, events needing to be 72 holes, and the tour being in place for a certain amount of time. They may make an exception for LIV, but they obviously had to know the OWGR rules in place for new Tours.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:05 pm to SDwhodat
When the new ranking was released late Sunday it showed Dustin Johnson dipping from 18th to 21st place, sandwiched between Sungjae Im and Max Homa. Johnson hasn’t been ranked outside the top 20 in the world since February 15, 2015.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:06 pm to SDwhodat
Well he is getting his arse beat by the likes of Schwartzel and Stenson.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:20 pm to TDTOM
So how exactly does the Tour merge or co-exist with LIV when they lock down their golfers so tight? There's this fantasy that the Tour should give in and they can both live together. How? LIV is not just some side gig during the winter months. Full schedule, under contract.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 6:18 pm to SoDakHawk
Don't see the Tour ever giving in.
They have the developmental tour pipeline that will keep producing new talent.
They have the developmental tour pipeline that will keep producing new talent.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 6:24 pm to bopper50
So the tour meeting was a big nothing burger?
Posted on 8/18/22 at 7:40 pm to theone
The players involved are being extremely tight lipped about it. The only thing that came out of it that we know of is tiger is acting as a de facto commish (which doesn’t say much about monahan) and that the players involved are all on the same page (which is great news for the tour).
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 7:41 pm
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