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re: PGA Tour players meeting tomorrow regarding LIV
Posted on 8/19/22 at 2:49 pm to Taurus
Posted on 8/19/22 at 2:49 pm to Taurus
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If DP tour and PGA can have separate tours yet work together, then LIV can also. Not that hard.
The PGA would cease to exist in short order. Half the tournaments played would go under due to a lack of participation from major players.
Would you go play in a tournament you might not make a cent on instead of sitting at the house collecting a guaranteed check? Possibly, but you’d be in a distinct minority who would.
The two simply cannot coexist due to the discrepancy in how the players are paid.
So if LIV wants to go their own way, let them. But actions have consequences, and the most important events should absolutely be at the top of the list. Want to get 50 million guaranteed to play? Go for it, but you’d only get to see Augusta National on TV if I was in charge of it.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 2:52 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
DP tour and PGA have a crossover for points and quals for PGA events.
I think LIV has a top 20-25 for a yr end event, if I'm wrong oh well.
However, LIV has actually been mobile in signing and releasing players.
Both PGA and LIV will need to yield certain rules to accommodate each other. But it's doable.
DP tour really sucks arse to be honest, very few fans and just boring golf, but I work from home and put it on for background noise along w/ talk radio. I do like their bigger tourneys though(Scottish and Irish Opens....OHH the Dubai Championships.
10 million!?! 
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:09 pm to llfshoals
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The two simply cannot coexist due to the discrepancy in how the players are paid.
So if LIV wants to go their own way, let them. But actions have consequences, and the most important events should absolutely be at the top of the list. Want to get 50 million guaranteed to play? Go for it, but you’d only get to see Augusta National on TV if I was in charge of it.
Really good points.
There is no way to equivalize a 74 hole tournament and a 54 tournament in the rankings.
A lot can happen in an extra 18 holes.
The Tour lawyers said today that they expect a fight in the Court and a lot of animosity.
If the LIV setup is so great, why do they even want to be able to play in PGA Tour events.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:24 pm to Taurus
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However, LIV has actually been mobile in signing and releasing players.
This year while they've been building up their roster, sure. It seems like their plan, though, is to sign 48 top players to multi-year deals. And there really is no defined system on maintaining status, losing status, and gaining status on their Tour. That IMO is a problem. Even WGC events that have no cut and a small field have qualification standards to get in the field. LIV's standard is whoever they offer a contract to plays. There's no mechanism in place to play yourself into a LIV field like every other golf tour in the world. It's just so different, I don't know how you'd begin to assess values for OWGR purposes even if their petition is granted. I'm sure they will continue to tinker with the LIV Tour, but IMO they're going to have to change a lot with the structure of that Tour to fully legitimize it in the golf world.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:24 pm to llfshoals
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LIV players should not participate in majors, Ryder or President’s cup events IMO.
You would want to water down those events because of which tour the players play on?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Pga and Liv can co exist in the following manner....30 tournament schedule ..No TOC at Kapalua ..Its full field event and then play 29 more tournaments...players have to play in 15 of these 30 events ...no match play or wgc events have full field events then have Fed Ex Cup with only Top 48 players making the 2 tournament series...cut to top 24 with no staggered scoring at East Lake...Top 48 play 7 LIV series events all around the glove at Top courses from Sept thru Nov...#49-150 and Top 25 from Korn Ferry play 6 tournaments series with 8 million dollar purses and world ranking points ..top 30 money winners in the "Fall Series" plays a 7th tournament with a 15 million dollar purse....the top 48 guys make alot of money and the 49-150/25 have a chance to make some great money also...the competition to be in the top 48 would be great...of course all LIV contracts would be cancelled !
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:40 pm to bopper50
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There is no way to equivalize a 74 hole tournament and a 54 tournament in the rankings.
What? Of course there is. The number of holes has little to do with how to rank. It’s the strength of the field that matters. The good point the other poster had was if the same 48 are going up against each other and never play against anyone outside the LIV how can we know what the strength of the field is.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:44 pm to BBONDS25
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You would want to water down those events because of which tour the players play on?
Know your point, but with the exception of DJ, there is no one on LIV right now that would be missed.
The PGA of America that runs the Ryder Cup has already said no to LIV players.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:54 pm to bopper50
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The PGA of America that runs the Ryder Cup has already said no to LIV players.
I am aware. And that will likely help the LIV guys in their anti-trust suit. The PGA had the chance to avoid all of this last year. Their greed caused LIV to be a thing. Now they want to pout when players leave and are pressuring everyone else to ban them as well. It’s wild.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:02 pm to BBONDS25
But how many lawsuits does LIV players want to enter into ?
Already fighting the PGA Tour in court.
If they go after the PGA of America and the Club Pro's over the Ryder Cup that will really create some hard feelings between players.
Already fighting the PGA Tour in court.
If they go after the PGA of America and the Club Pro's over the Ryder Cup that will really create some hard feelings between players.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:04 pm to bopper50
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But how many lawsuits does LIV players want to enter into ?
Likely just the one they already followed is all they need.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I knew you didn't have the guts
Look in a mirror.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:27 pm to BBONDS25
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Likely just the one they already followed is all they need.
May be so, but the PGA of America has always been a revered organization .
Attacking them won't be pretty.
I don't get the whole PGA Tour is being greedy.
The players basically own the Tour and the Tour HDQ are basically administrators of the policies that the Players Advisory Board sets forth.
Players get annual statements on where the money is spent.
Players vote on who is on the Players Advisory Board annually.
So are they cheating themselves ?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:29 pm to bopper50
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I don't get the whole PGA Tour is being greedy.
You haven't gotten anything the whole time so this isn't surprising
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:38 pm to bopper50
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I don't get the whole PGA Tour is being greedy.
A year ago the players approached the tour with a proposal for 8 additional tournaments that would be owned 50 percent by the players and 50 percent by sponsors. The tourneys would have big purses and would be invitationals for the top players. The tour balked…laughed at them and said anything not owned 100 percent by the tour will be seen a hostile.
That was greedy and short sighted. LIV pounced.
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Players get annual statements on where the money is spent.
I guess. But Cantlay said it is pretty dang tough to get all the info.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:16 pm to lsufball19
I get your point of of "playing yourself" into events. LIV is half-assing it this yr.
I think standards need to be met and can be. The PGA is being asshoe all around. They are a bunch of "karens" right now.
Come with a legit offer to combine(like they did w/ the Euros) and be done. If LIV wants to reject, that's on them.
I think standards need to be met and can be. The PGA is being asshoe all around. They are a bunch of "karens" right now.
Come with a legit offer to combine(like they did w/ the Euros) and be done. If LIV wants to reject, that's on them.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:42 pm to BBONDS25
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I guess. But Cantlay said it is pretty dang tough to get all the info.
I bet the Saudis will be super transparent
Y’all are all being fooled by the Saudis. Sure they are playing nice right now. I have no doubt they would be sketchy as frick and not good for golf if they had the upper hand.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:53 pm to BBONDS25
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a proposal for 8 additional tournaments that would be owned 50 percent by the players and 50 percent by sponsors. The tourneys would have big purses and would be invitationals for the top players. The tour balked…laughed at them and said anything not owned 100 percent by the tour will be seen a hostile.
Don't doubt you on this at all.
Adding 8 tournaments brings into view current TV contracts, logistics, over exposure and getting sponsors to buy in.
I would think that the time of year and scheduling would take a while to work out.
There is no doubt that Golf viewership drops off considerably during football season.
Last thing I would add is that I worked for a fortune 500 company that sponsored golf. It's all about the ROI and exposure.
With all of the noise about corporations paying more taxes, things may become a wait and see for companies before they commit to long term sponsorships.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I bet the Saudis will be super transparent
You agree to your money up front and the purses are what they are. It's not a member run organizatio. Some of you will straight up make shite up or be willfully ignorant to be against something. Damn.
There's pros and cons to both circuits, but being a fricking liar doesn't buy you any credibility when speaking about your Tour Du Jour
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:48 pm to bopper50
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Adding 8 tournaments brings into view current TV contracts, logistics, over exposure and getting sponsors to buy in.
They wouldn't be owned by the Tour so literally none of this would be the concern of the Tour. Are you slow?
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Last thing I would add is that I worked for a fortune 500 company that sponsored golf
And some 23 year old works for that same company, it doesn't add a damn thing to this discussion.
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With all of the noise about corporations paying more taxes, things may become a wait and see for companies before they commit to long term sponsorships.
Now you're just pulling shite straight out of your arse
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