re: PGA denying waivers to the LIV’s first event

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Gullible was a word I believe you are familiar with. Or maybe just plain stupid is a better word choice.

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A wise man once told me when the insults come flying, that person has accepted the loss.

You mad mad my guy. Lol.

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Im not mad at all. I just wanted to make it abundantly clear you're a retard.

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There you go. Showing true colors.

PGA Tour has money, they just choose to spend it in other ways than the highest possible purses - the PGA Tour subsidizes the LPGA, Korn Ferry, Latino Tour and other pet projects of the tour execs

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No they aren’t. Owning the players would be forcing them to do things. The players are more than capable of playing on the LIV tour if they want

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Terrible take.

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Terrible take.

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Ok. So in your opinion every company in the world “owns” it’s employees, and every organization in the world “owns” it’s members. Great take


Or maybe, just maybe, companies and organizations have stipulations and rules for its employees and/or members, and said members can choose to leave if they don’t want to follow them, hence not being owned….

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Forever? No. Do I think they'll front $100 million plus to show both players and broadcast partners that their money and product is real, yes. And profit motive isnt the only driving force here, straight out of the Saudis mouths on numerous occasions.

And if they do that it's certainly possible that this could be successful. Especially if they are able to operate behind the scenes.

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The PGA Tour has had the best of the best playing for them for 100 years and with all the TV deals and sponsorships they have they are only able to afford to pay out what the current purses are (its a non-profit so they aren't keeping a ton for themselves and you can look up their financials). After the first round of Saudi money runs out in 3-5 years where are they going to get these crazy purses from if the current market for the best tour on earth is only able to support $1.5MM for first place?

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The Tour can't claim the players are independent contractors when it benefits the Tour and then say that can't work other places when it doesn't.

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Umm, yes they can

Way too much is made of the “independent contractor” angle. Independent contractors still have rules they must abide by.

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This response [of a suspension or ban] by the PGA Tour has the feel of a ‘non-compete,’ intending to prevent players from performing for leagues that do seem to be competitive to the PGA Tour,” Heitner says. “Players have the choice of complying or not.”

Attorney Tom Allen—who practices in government services, litigation, and labor and employment areas—agrees, saying that though the tour will need to be careful when navigating the laws regarding agreement to limit competition, it shouldn’t be a material difference. “Typically, employers have greater latitude with regard to independent contractors versus employees—hence, the ‘independent’ part of being a contractor,” Allen says. “Here, the focus will be on what powers the PGA Tour can exercise overall with regard to its members, and that shouldn’t depend on ‘employee’ versus ‘independent contractor’ status.”

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That was a great lawyer statement that said basically nothing.

Maybe Phil is an idiot, but staking his whole legacy and almost certainly a shite load of money on this if there were no chance they prevail seems highly unlikely.

You and other are confusing the success and the viability of LIV golf, it may not be successful, but it's got the best shot out of any alternative, and you completely dismissing it is dumb. The Tour did the same thing and that's why we're at the point we're at.

Personally, I think the tour should be able to decide who has playing privileges and who doesn't.