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Is “Growing the Game” important to you?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:09 pm
“Growing the Game” is mentioned constantly by LIV, the Tour, Pros, the media, etc.
Personally, I want golf to remain a niche sport. I’m kinda happy that there is a financial barrier to entry…keeps some of the undesirables away. Am I the a-hole?
Personally, I want golf to remain a niche sport. I’m kinda happy that there is a financial barrier to entry…keeps some of the undesirables away. Am I the a-hole?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:11 pm to Tyga Woods
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Is “Growing the Game” important to you?
Nope
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Am I the a-hole?
It’s possible
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:17 pm to Tyga Woods
It is important to me, but it has to be done correctly. Riff Raff is welcome as long as they are willing to comply with the time honored traditions of the game and observe etiquette.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:21 pm to SingleMalt1973
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Riff Raff is welcome as long as they are willing to comply with the time honored traditions of the game and observe etiquette.
They typically don’t, though. That’s why they are riff raff
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:40 pm to Tyga Woods
Growing the game on the tour level, especially the LIV tour is bullshite
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:29 am to Tyga Woods
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Is “Growing the Game” important to you?
No, and the new crowd that’s come into golf the last couple of years makes me want it to grow even less. There were enough slow shitty golfers on the course, didn’t need to add more
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 3:41 am
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:20 am to Tyga Woods
I love this issue because of the complexity.
Growing the game = More golfers = more money.
Courses are making more money so they could put some of that money into upkeep, which means nicer courses. But the flip side is that more traffic on the course could mean worse conditions.
More golfers means the tee sheet will fill up faster making it more difficult for people to obtain tee times. But if the growth is sustained, it could justify opening a new course or doing a big renovation to an old course that makes the old course a desirable course.
More golfers means that more equipment is being purchased, which increases the prices of Taylormade, Titleist, etc. They can use those profits on R&D to develop better technology. You'll also have more golfers playing so smaller, niche companies can survive.
If you work in golf from equipment to course ownership to playing professionally, you want golf to grow. It's your business and you want your marketshare to increase with more customers. Those people are the ones on TV talking about golf, so that's why you hear that line so often.
Growing the game = More golfers = more money.
Courses are making more money so they could put some of that money into upkeep, which means nicer courses. But the flip side is that more traffic on the course could mean worse conditions.
More golfers means the tee sheet will fill up faster making it more difficult for people to obtain tee times. But if the growth is sustained, it could justify opening a new course or doing a big renovation to an old course that makes the old course a desirable course.
More golfers means that more equipment is being purchased, which increases the prices of Taylormade, Titleist, etc. They can use those profits on R&D to develop better technology. You'll also have more golfers playing so smaller, niche companies can survive.
If you work in golf from equipment to course ownership to playing professionally, you want golf to grow. It's your business and you want your marketshare to increase with more customers. Those people are the ones on TV talking about golf, so that's why you hear that line so often.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:37 am to Tyga Woods
It was easier to play during the week before the pandemic.
Biden said he “ended the pandemic”, but the golf courses are still crowded.
I’ve seen golf surge, and I’ve seen many courses close.
The game is difficult and expensive. I think Top Golf will thrive as a destination activity.
I think the people who love golf will play more.
I’m not sure how long the more casual player plays. Youth sports used to take a decade of prime golf away from young family men with coaching, practicing, shuttling, etc. Now I see these guys playing almost daily. It’s been good for that demographic, Under 40 men with families to play more.
I don’t think there are more older people playing, but they are playing more rounds.
The surge in rounds played has been “stickier” than I thought it could be.
Biden said he “ended the pandemic”, but the golf courses are still crowded.
I’ve seen golf surge, and I’ve seen many courses close.
The game is difficult and expensive. I think Top Golf will thrive as a destination activity.
I think the people who love golf will play more.
I’m not sure how long the more casual player plays. Youth sports used to take a decade of prime golf away from young family men with coaching, practicing, shuttling, etc. Now I see these guys playing almost daily. It’s been good for that demographic, Under 40 men with families to play more.
I don’t think there are more older people playing, but they are playing more rounds.
The surge in rounds played has been “stickier” than I thought it could be.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:11 am to makersmark1
LIV depending on next years schedule might have an argument for growing the game internationally. Right now it’s USA, UK, Japan and Korea
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:20 am to Tyga Woods
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Is “Growing the Game” important to you?
SO, there's a generation of incels coming up the ranks that refuse to leave their game rooms. If we dont "grow the game" the game will die off. I'm in favor of growing it so that there are options with regards to clubs, courses, etc.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 9:06 am to Tyga Woods
If you like nice courses, it should be. Keeping memberships with a good variety of young and old is important to good local courses. If the memberships get old with no one young joining, those clubs will die off.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 9:35 am to ell_13
I'm not arguing with you. But is there an argument for "keeping the game the same size?"Old people die off. Young people become old people. Kids become young people. The cycle continues at the same rate without growth. Everything stays the same
Posted on 5/17/23 at 10:19 am to Tyga Woods
It the game doesn't grow, courses will continue to close and or lose money. It might be inconvenient for us causal golfers but I am more than sure golf course owners would agree with growing the game.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 12:07 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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Courses are making more money so they could put some of that money into upkeep, which means nicer courses. But the flip side is that more traffic on the course could mean worse conditions.
I have no ability to grow the game, but for the sake of course conditions, hopefully the game grows. As far as public courses go, it almost seems like the more traffic the better. I've never seen more traffic equate to worse course conditions. I have seen less traffic equate to worse course conditions though. The more people playing, the more money they have to put into the course.
Tiger created a boom of new golfers, I'd be curious to know the number of new golfers there are now each year compared to 10-15 years ago.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 12:50 pm to Tyga Woods
Growing the game is important to me because there were people that took the time, effort and money to develop my game. I’ll always be thankful for that. The only way I can think to repay those that helped me is to help the younger generation of golfers. I give old bags, clubs, etc. to a few youngin’s I know along with a few swing tips when asked.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 12:56 pm to Tyga Woods
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Is “Growing the Game” important to you?
Yes, because its a wonderful sport and a sport that can be played for a lifetime.. Plus the amount of open courses has been a steady decline for the past 10 years.. So it's important to get more and new people involved to get the game going.
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I want golf to remain a niche sport.
I mean there's something like 39,000 courses world wide.. Is it really a niche sport?? Lawnmower racing is a niche sport, golf is definitely not...
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I’m kinda happy that there is a financial barrier to entry…keeps some of the undesirables away.
Is there really?? You can literally buy quality used set clubs for 500 bucks and play local muni's for under 30 a round.. Not exactly the giant financial barrier for most to overcome ...
Also, money don't buy class.. I've played rounds with people that makes tons of money and still are trashy MF'ers and I've played with people that are normal every day Joe's that have 20 yr old equipment and are real stewards of the game... I mean regardless of what walk of life they come from as long as they adhere to the rules and traditions it really doesn't make one bit of difference...
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Am I the a-hole?
1000%
Posted on 5/17/23 at 1:07 pm to DarkDrifter
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play local muni's for under 30 a round.
Not in Central Florida. You can play the 9 hole walking courses for $25-28, but not an 18 hole course anywhere in the greater Orlando area, unless you play twilight rates after 2:30 or 3 o'clock.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 1:23 pm to Tyga Woods
"Shrink the game" ought to be the slogan!
Posted on 5/17/23 at 1:34 pm to mikedatyger
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You can play the 9 hole walking courses for $25-28
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unless you play twilight rates after 2:30 or 3 o'clock.
I mean you just proved my point, because not once did I specify the time of day or length of said round... Just said that you could.. Also Orlando is kind of an outlier huh?? Fl is pretty much a golfing hub and Orlando being a tourist trap probably yields a little higher green fee..
On another note and while we're talking about Orlando area.. Got any suggestions?? Gonna be there in June/July for about 12 days and would like to play something other than the Disney courses..
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