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I officially give up on Copper Mill ever getting their greens back.

Posted on 3/21/22 at 5:48 pm
Posted by Navajo61490
Baton rouge
Member since Dec 2011
6886 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 5:48 pm
It’s been years of them having garbage greens. I live in the area and said screw it, I enjoy the layout so I’ll give them another shot.

The greens are just rolled weeds. It’s not even playable because the ball is constantly knocked off line. I can’t remember the last time their greens were in decent shape but I’m done holding out hope that course will ever return to “good” shape.

Honorable mention: hole 2 has mats to hit your tee shoes from because the tee boxes are pure sand.

Posted by FishQuiz
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2011
482 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:35 pm to
As a member and home owner I do apologize for the shape of the greens right now. It’s quite embarrassing honestly. We do have plans in the works for new grass for the greens in the future. Our course is subsidized by homeowners and these things just take time.

We had this same issue last year at this time and the super said it would be like last year in that as soon as we get constant warm temps the weeds on the greens will be able to be controlled and improve. They won’t be near perfect but much better than now.
Posted by Navajo61490
Baton rouge
Member since Dec 2011
6886 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:49 pm to
I’m glad to hear that the club is making efforts on addressing the greens. There’s an opportunity for CM to be a solid track for the Baton Rouge area if the greens can get straightened out.
Posted by tiger626
NoLa
Member since Dec 2014
597 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:00 pm to
Could the HOA take out a loan to get the greens re-done and that should increase revenue..and lack of driving range keeps some events away
Posted by FishQuiz
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2011
482 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:12 pm to
If I had to guess banks aren’t lining up to give golf courses loans. We as a neighborhood are still paying the the loans from the purchase of the course and pool house.
Posted by Bawpaw
Member since May 2021
1561 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:28 pm to
I was told by a homeowner that the poa annua has grown resistance to previously used treatments and the chemical vendors are doing their best to come up with a new formula but the warm weather will make it go dormant. Best thing to do would be get every homeowner to go out on a Sunday evening and start pulling and bagging it and then top dress them.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34079 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 6:55 am to
quote:

poa annua has grown resistance to previously used treatments and the chemical vendors are doing their best to come up with a new formul


I didn’t know this was possible, but here’s an article explaining it. It looks like they need to rotate chemicals. Pulling it wouldn’t hurt.

LINK


I hope CM can get it together. I love the layout and the 6/6/6 idea. I used to enjoy heading up there from BR.
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
211 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 7:50 am to
quote:

I didn’t know this was possible, but here’s an article explaining it. It looks like they need to rotate chemicals. Pulling it wouldn’t hurt.


it is very much possible for a weed to become resistant to herbicides, just the same as when antibiotics stop working for you. I promise you we all rotate products religiously. we have tried everything that is labeled and then some. Guys in my industry are pulling their hair out trying to find a solution to this, but everytime we think we have one, it doesn't work the next year. Poa is one of the most prolific weeds around the world. each single plant produces hundreds of seeds. the seeds can remain viable in the soil for many years. so killing one plant this year, and what worked to kill that one plant, may not kill that plant that germinates next year. some of us have gotten lucky, but my greens are only 78 years old here at the Golden Nugget and have Poa in some spots. I have hit them with 3 different rotational herbicides and killed maybe 70%. that means that 30% is resistant and will produce resistant plants that produce hundreds of resistant seeds. its a viscious cycle. So stop blaming the superintendent everytime and calling for them to get fired because there is Poa or goose grass on the greens. same issue with both weeds
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16753 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:14 am to
Played there Saturday and the greens were full of poa. I just won't go back until it warms up consistently enough for it to die off. Last summer and into the fall, Copper Mill was in as good condition as I've seen it. Kudos to them for fixing the bunkers and having the course in generally good condition. Always tough coming out of winter.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6461 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:27 am to
They are definitely trying to get it right. The have redone some of the bridges, bunkers are in as good of shape as I have ever seen. He said about ago that they would be getting new carts as well.

Plus as the other poster said…. They are supposed to be redoing the greens. You can’t do all of that shite at one time. That guy has done a helluva job in pointing that course in the right direction.

That being said…. They need to punch those fairways. Those frickers are like hitting off of a cart path unless you’re close to the greens. That’s the only thing I’d know to do to help. I don’t think they have much irrigation for the fairways?
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 6:53 pm to
Biggest weed I have to contend with is Celebration wanting to creep on my Champion. SoFlo is impeccable. If I see poa immediately blame some golfer tracking it in from Philly.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:52 pm to
The problem with bad poa in S LA is people think we have Florida weather. But it stays cool for longer. Grass doesn’t turn on good enough to spray until April / May and it doesn’t get warm enough for heat to kill it until June.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
6812 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:28 am to
#2 probably needs some trees removed to get some more sunlight and air onto the tee boxes. It’s kind of a chute from what I recall.
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
5021 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:42 am to
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#2 probably needs some trees removed to get some more sunlight and air onto the tee boxes. It’s kind of a chute from what I recall.



It's also not a very big tee box and it's crowned, so limited spots to put the tees so that Patrons don't get angry about it being too short or too long. Just not enough real estate over over their for a par 3 tee box.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34079 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 7:46 am to
quote:

It's also not a very big tee box and it's crowned, so limited spots to put the tees


Yes, that's a tough spot. They could connect all of the tees and make it one long box, but you would need to place pipes for drainage for the water to run into that creek bed.
Posted by Soda Popinski
BRLA
Member since Mar 2006
1216 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Last summer and into the fall, Copper Mill was in as good condition as I've seen it


Yep. I haven't played out there since then but I agree that last Summer it was in good shape. It's a fun track - hope they get things figured out with the Poa. I recall playing the wetlands in Lafayette last Spring and they were covered in the Poa and there were information signs posted about how what they use to treat it was ineffective. Nasty little weed.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34079 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:03 am to
Ive been diving deeper into this herbicide resistance poa.

Here is a group that trying to tackle this problem. This really is interesting.

resistpoa.org
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
5021 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Yes, that's a tough spot. They could connect all of the tees and make it one long box, but you would need to place pipes for drainage for the water to run into that creek bed.




They could also cut off the last turn in the bridge to #2 and fill in all that area back there and make a really big level tee. the windy bridge part eats up into some of their valuable space.

On a side note, any of you members know how the Island reopening has eaten into membership at all?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34079 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:02 am to
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They could also cut off the last turn in the bridge to #2 and fill in all that area back there and make a really big level tee.



That would be TONS of dirt to fill in that natural swamp area. It could be done, but would be massively expensive.
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
5021 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:25 am to
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natural swamp area.



My bad. I mean where the existing cart path is now along the side of the tee box. Essentially doubling the width but the cart path now runs in front instead of along side. Mostly speaking about the copper boxes as well.

I probably could have worded that better. Definitely cheaper to just lob some trees and try to get more sun.
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