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re: Have we talked about Matt Kuchar paying his caddy $5k after his win at Mayakoba?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:28 am to Golfer
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:28 am to Golfer
He didn’t need to pay him 10%. But paying him .38% is a bad look IMO.
It’s moreso that the caddy didn’t understand what a bad deal he was getting into. That’s on Kuch, because he knows what the guy should be getting if he won. I don’t think this makes Kuch a bad guy, and El Tucan even said he still thought Kuch was a good person, just that he was being cheap in this situation.
It’s moreso that the caddy didn’t understand what a bad deal he was getting into. That’s on Kuch, because he knows what the guy should be getting if he won. I don’t think this makes Kuch a bad guy, and El Tucan even said he still thought Kuch was a good person, just that he was being cheap in this situation.
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:29 am to Dawgsontop34
quote:This isn't patronizing at all... Of course the Mexican knew the deal. He's been doing this for years and is well-known. What a shite argument to make.
It’s moreso that the caddy didn’t understand what a bad deal he was getting into.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:31 am to DFWgolfer318
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And Kucher is paying for it.
How is he really paying for it? Did he lose sponsors over this? Is he going to make less money playing golf now? Or is he "paying for it" by answering some questions for a story that everyone will likely forget in a few months?
Sorry, a deal is a deal. Kuchar held up his end of the deal, paid him an extra grand on top of the deal, and then offered him 15k more, which the guy refused. Additionally, he did not serve Kuchar the same way a regular tour caddy does. He carried his bag and cleaned his clubs. I worked at a golf course back when I was in college, and I would have done the job for free just for the experience. The guy just read tour caddies get X% of the winnings from a tournament and got entitled. he's not a tour caddy and didn't provide the same service a tour caddy does.
And the argument that because Kuchar can afford it, he should pay him more is the epitome of entitlement. That's not how things work. The problem is the caddy was fine with the deal until Kuchar won the tournament.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 11:33 am
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:35 am to Dawgsontop34
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It’s moreso that the caddy didn’t understand what a bad deal he was getting into.
It could have been a great deal. 132 golfers played and only 70 got paid. 70th place got 14k.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:35 am to lsufball19
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Additionally, he did not serve Kuchar the same way a regular tour caddy does. He carried his bag and cleaned his clubs
Just to be clear, Kucher said after the win that he helped him win. Probably just lip service because he was asked the question but he can't say that and then say he didn't later.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:39 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:Of course it was lip service. He simply called him good luck. He didn't say shite about any actual help.
Kucher said after the win that he helped him win. Probably just lip service
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:39 am to DFWgolfer318
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Just to be clear, Kucher said after the win that he helped him win. Probably just lip service because he was asked the question but he can't say that and then say he didn't later.
As you say it is probably lip service from a professional who was just doing the guy a solid. Guy probably would have secured a great caddy career off of this and been paid way more than his blackmail price. Kuch speaking good about him was worth more than $50k.
But, not now.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:41 am to lsufball19
quote:I think it's pretty clear that one of his other semi-pro friends heard that he only made 5k and convinced him he got stiffed.
The guy just read tour caddies get X% of the winnings from a tournament and got entitled
If you remember correctly, the original amount reported was 3k. That wasn't coming from the caddy but from Tom Gillis who was in his ear. I don't know that guy's motivation but he's fricked over his "friend" turning this into something it's not.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 1:33 pm to lsufball19
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Kuchar held up his end of the deal, paid him an extra grand on top of the deal
What a guy, tipped him a cool 1k after getting a check for 1.296 mil.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 1:42 pm to lsufball19
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Sorry, a deal is a deal. Kuchar held up his end of the deal, paid him an extra grand on top of the deal, and then offered him 15k more, which the guy refused.
I think Kucher's agent offered him the extra money. Maybe his agent foresaw the coming PR storm, and tried to mitigate the damage.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:13 pm to KingBarkus
One question I haven't seen addressed is why was Kuchar using a local caddy? Where was his regular Tour caddy?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:18 pm to BlastOff
Can we stop pretending like it's some kind of requirement for someone who makes a lot of money to simply spend/pay others a lot of money, especially people who do very little to earn said money?
Should people start going back and tipping their college professors and high school teachers because they helped them become successful and make a lot of money one day? Or maybe the janitor would be a better comparison here.
The caddy was paid for a specific service, winning any amount or even losing (missed cut). The service provided was literally walking around and holding his stuff for 5 days while keeping it clean. 5k is damn generous regardless of the payout for something so simple. Another analogy would be if you told an uber to take you to a casino and wait outside until you were done gambling and pay them $1k to do it. Does that number go up simply because you won a jackpot or poker tournament? It's not like the uber had any part in that win.
FFS people are seriously getting way worked up over some bullshite socialist mindset that people who make more money suddenly owe more to others who did nothing to earn it.
Should people start going back and tipping their college professors and high school teachers because they helped them become successful and make a lot of money one day? Or maybe the janitor would be a better comparison here.
The caddy was paid for a specific service, winning any amount or even losing (missed cut). The service provided was literally walking around and holding his stuff for 5 days while keeping it clean. 5k is damn generous regardless of the payout for something so simple. Another analogy would be if you told an uber to take you to a casino and wait outside until you were done gambling and pay them $1k to do it. Does that number go up simply because you won a jackpot or poker tournament? It's not like the uber had any part in that win.
FFS people are seriously getting way worked up over some bullshite socialist mindset that people who make more money suddenly owe more to others who did nothing to earn it.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:26 pm to ell_13
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Should people start going back and tipping their college professors and high school teachers because they helped them become successful and make a lot of money one day? Or maybe the janitor would be a better comparison here.
Is that industry standard?
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5k is damn generous regardless of the payout for something so simple
In your opinion
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Another analogy would be if you told an uber to take you to a casino and wait outside until you were done gambling and pay them $1k to do it. Does that number go up simply because you won a jackpot or poker tournament? It's not like the uber had any part in that win.
This is a terrible analogy.
quote:
FFS people are seriously getting way worked up over some bullshite
Pot, meet kettle
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:27 pm to ell_13
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FFS people are seriously getting way worked up over some bullshite socialist mindset that people who make more money suddenly owe more to others who did nothing to earn it.
I think a lot of people got caught up in the original story and now that the facts have come out just won't change their mind because that is how humans work. They are now saying they get it "but it looks so bad!"
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:29 pm to DFWgolfer318
If this guy didn’t really help Kuchar other than carrying his clubs, then wouldn’t that mean that most caddy’s are overpaid for their service if a guy can win a tournament with no help picking clubs, distances, breaks in the green etc.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:29 pm to DFWgolfer318
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Is that industry standard?
Is there an industry standard for use of a random caddy for a single tournament?
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:01 pm to DFWgolfer318
quote:For this caddy? Yes. When he's used, it's 3-5k.
Is that industry standard?
quote:What?
In your opinion
You think 5k is underpaying for carrying around 25 lbs for 5 days??? Stop it. You sound ridiculous.quote:How so?
This is a terrible analogy.
quote:Wow. Because I point out the obvious and ignorance of others? Something you have actually agreed with? And that makes me a hypocrite?
Pot, meet kettle
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:05 pm to Hermit Crab
quote:A caddy is paid so much because there are expenses involved with being a caddy along with the ability to work with the golfer whether it be good communication, good advice and when to give it, and other tasks involved while traveling. A local caddy does none of those things. All he has to be is reliable with good references.
then wouldn’t that mean that most caddy’s are overpaid for their service if a guy can win a tournament with no help picking clubs, distances, breaks in the green etc.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:09 pm to ell_13
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For this caddy? Yes. When he's used, it's 3-5k.
I think you are smarter than this.
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What? You think 5k is underpaying for carrying around 25 lbs for 5 days??
Yes considering all factors.
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How so?
Comparing an uber driver to a caddy, that has a part in Kucher winning as small as it may be is dumb.
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Wow. Because I point out the obvious and ignorance of others
You are talking about people being emotional while writing manifestos about how right you are and everyone else is ignorant.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:21 pm to DFWgolfer318
quote:The Uber driver safely took that person to the casino. Seems just as crucial as holding a golfer's bag.
Comparing an uber driver to a caddy, that has a part in Kucher winning as small as it may be is dumb.
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