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re: Have we talked about Matt Kuchar paying his caddy $5k after his win at Mayakoba?
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:42 pm to ell_13
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:42 pm to ell_13
Kuch confirmed it was 5k today.
FWIW, Cameron Percy paid his (local) caddy almost 3k after making about 25k for finishing 5th in the Web tourney a couple weeks ago. That might be high, but by almost every acct, paying someone 5k after making 1.3 mil is lowballing the heck out of him.
FWIW, Cameron Percy paid his (local) caddy almost 3k after making about 25k for finishing 5th in the Web tourney a couple weeks ago. That might be high, but by almost every acct, paying someone 5k after making 1.3 mil is lowballing the heck out of him.
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 1:47 am to Dawgsontop34
The caddy also turned down an additional 15k from MK. Said it was 'unacceptable'. This was reported by Bamberger@ golf.com
While 20k total is less than 2%, why the hell would this caddy turn it down? He trying to shakedown for more than that?
While 20k total is less than 2%, why the hell would this caddy turn it down? He trying to shakedown for more than that?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 8:27 am to meauxcheeks
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The caddy also turned down an additional 15k from MK. Said it was 'unacceptable'. This was reported by Bamberger@ golf.com
While 20k total is less than 2%, why the hell would this caddy turn it down? He trying to shakedown for more than that?
Caddy wanted 50k. Here's Bamberger's article:
Quotes from Kucher
Posted on 2/14/19 at 9:45 am to Dawgsontop34
here is the shakedown now that Kuch has spoken.
PRIOR to the tournament they had an agreed on price of 4k for his services. Win, Lose, or Draw.
After Kuch won he gave him 5k, which is more than they agreed.
After he reached out to Kuch's agent he agreed to give him 20k. which the caddy denied.
There are two arguments:
1. Kuch should give him the standard 5%. regardless of their agreement.
2. Say kuch misses the cut, he would have still given El Toucan the 4k they agreed upon.
Kuch's explanation is that they had a deal, plain and simple. Then after his requests he offered him 20k which he believes was fair.
I'm torn on this as a deal is a deal. 5k for a CLUB CADDY is pretty damn good. My opinion is that he should have taken the 20k when it was offered.
however social media and some bad advise now has us to the point that Kuch looks like an arse and El Toucan will be black balled for carrying any pro, ever.
PRIOR to the tournament they had an agreed on price of 4k for his services. Win, Lose, or Draw.
After Kuch won he gave him 5k, which is more than they agreed.
After he reached out to Kuch's agent he agreed to give him 20k. which the caddy denied.
There are two arguments:
1. Kuch should give him the standard 5%. regardless of their agreement.
2. Say kuch misses the cut, he would have still given El Toucan the 4k they agreed upon.
Kuch's explanation is that they had a deal, plain and simple. Then after his requests he offered him 20k which he believes was fair.
I'm torn on this as a deal is a deal. 5k for a CLUB CADDY is pretty damn good. My opinion is that he should have taken the 20k when it was offered.
however social media and some bad advise now has us to the point that Kuch looks like an arse and El Toucan will be black balled for carrying any pro, ever.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/14/19 at 9:49 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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I'm torn on this as a deal is a deal.
Sure and if he comes in 5th this is no big deal, but when one guy lives in a cinderblock house and the other has made more than $50 million in his career it's a little different.
A deal is a deal, but sometimes perception is reality, and this has cost Kucher way more than the $50k the caddy wanted.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:09 am to DFWgolfer318
can't disagree with that either, and Kuch's image and brand were worth a lot more than 50k. what an idiot.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:14 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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here is the shakedown now that Kuch has spoken.
PRIOR to the tournament they had an agreed on price of 4k for his services. Win, Lose, or Draw.
After Kuch won he gave him 5k, which is more than they agreed.
After he reached out to Kuch's agent he agreed to give him 20k. which the caddy denied.
There are two arguments:
1. Kuch should give him the standard 5%. regardless of their agreement.
2. Say kuch misses the cut, he would have still given El Toucan the 4k they agreed upon.
Kuch's explanation is that they had a deal, plain and simple. Then after his requests he offered him 20k which he believes was fair.
I'm torn on this as a deal is a deal. 5k for a CLUB CADDY is pretty damn good. My opinion is that he should have taken the 20k when it was offered.
however social media and some bad advise now has us to the point that Kuch looks like an arse and El Toucan will be black balled for carrying any pro, ever.
I am Team Kuch on this. A deal is a deal. He then turned down $20k and went to the media. Screw that guy.
Plus, I will guarantee you that if this guy was pivotal to the win Kuch would have given him way more. He could have just carried his bag and cleaned his clubs for all we know.
ETA: There were probably a line of guys willing to do it for free just for the experience. This guy took the deal and denied many others from the experience. If he wouldn't have taken the deal then who knows Kuch could have offered it to a more thankful and grateful no name caddy.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:25 am to lsu13lsu
quote:I can't support the caddy at all considering he tried to blackmail Kuch. Should Kuch have originally offered more than 4k after the win? Yes. I think he should have. But once he offers the 20k (which many people thought would be perfectly fine when this first made news) and the caddy doesn't take it thinking he can squeeze more out of it, then he's lost any respect.
I am Team Kuch on this. A deal is a deal. He then turned down $20k and went to the media. Screw that guy.
You also make a good point about the caddy being black balled. Kuch will still make his money playing golf. This guy isn't going to make 5k caddying for anyone ever again. And he could have had 25k.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:32 am to ell_13
I just want to say again. Screw anyone who makes a deal and then backtracks, blackmails and screws over anyone. A gentlemen's agreement by word of mouth and handshake is what golf is all about.
Tons of money has been lost on the golf course because someone made a bad deal for themselves. This caddy did that.
Tons of money has been lost on the golf course because someone made a bad deal for themselves. This caddy did that.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 10:33 am
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:44 am to lsu13lsu
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Plus, I will guarantee you that if this guy was pivotal to the win Kuch would have given him way more
The entire crux of the situation is Kuch is a cheap arse so I disagree. He's allegedly notorious on tour for doing this kind of thing.
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There were probably a line of guys willing to do it for free just for the experience
That are professional, even club, caddies, no there aren't.
Again, this doesn't have to be "fair" or "right. " When one guy is extremely wealthy and the other is lives in what a lot of Americans park their lawnmowers in in their backyard it isn't as simple as I lost $200 to my buddy on a bet I shouldn't have made.
Both parties are somewhat to blame here with the caddy turning down the money, but it's painfully obvious who's going to catch hell here and Kucher and his team should have realized that and just paid the guy.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:52 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:And so is Tiger and Bubba and Reed and JT and DJ and Phil is really an a-hole and on and on and on.
He's allegedly notorious on tour for doing this kind of thing.
quote:No. It's as simple as "here is the $5k we agreed upon and here's another $15k since you expressed you weren't happy with that amount. Oh, you don't want the $15k? You want $50k or else you're going to the press? Forget the 15..."
When one guy is extremely wealthy and the other is lives in what a lot of Americans park their lawnmowers in in their backyard it isn't as simple as I lost $200 to my buddy on a bet I shouldn't have made.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:55 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:They're catching hell because it's the juicy story that results in clicks. The articles are leaving out half of the facts and people aren't looking for fake news from golf.com or nolayingup but both of them are pushing a single narrative that's way more scandalous than the truth.
it's painfully obvious who's going to catch hell here and Kucher and his team should have realized that and just paid the guy.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:00 am to ell_13
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They're catching hell because it's the juicy story that results in clicks. The articles are leaving out half of the facts and people aren't looking for fake news from golf.com or nolayingup but both of them are pushing a single narrative that's way more scandalous than the truth.
And Kucher is paying for it. Again, it's not about what they agreed upon or the truth when you are talking about two people who are on entirely different planets in almost every facet of life. I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I also realize that it doesn't really matter if you and I agree if most everyone else things Kucher is the only one wrong here. When you are the one in the position of power a lot of times the smarter move is the make the problem go away instead of digging in. That doesn't make it right, but life is full of things that aren't right or fair.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:05 am to DFWgolfer318
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When you are the one in the position of power a lot of times the smarter move is the make the problem go away instead of digging in. That doesn't make it right, but life is full of things that aren't right or fair.
How would paying him the remaining $125k after the fact made it go away?
Media headlines would still read: “Kuchar, who originally paid el Toucan $5000 has agreed to compensate him the full $130k after a frenzy of backlash on social media and golfing circles”
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:05 am to DFWgolfer318
I'm not going to feel bad for Kuch if he loses some ignorant fans based on this. I doubt he loses much else in the long run.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:06 am to Golfer
quote:One of the most misleading parts of the golf.com article and others. As if any pro would pay out the full 10% to a local caddy who simply carries the clubs regardless of a win.
How would paying him the remaining $125k after the fact made it go away?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:09 am to ell_13
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One of the most misleading parts of the golf.com article and others. As if any pro would pay out the full 10% to a local caddy who simply carries the clubs regardless of a win.
Correct. The 10% is incentive to stay on his bag and work his tail off each week to keep his pro competitive.
Not because he schelped a bag around for 5 days and gave him yardages. Toucan would know nothing about Kuch’s preferred approach in certain situations, where he tends to miss in tough spots, etc.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:09 am to DFWgolfer318
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That are professional, even club, caddies, no there aren't.
You know how many caddies were there? Heck Kuch could have gotten a friend or family member to do it.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:15 am to ell_13
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I doubt he loses much else in the long run.
I agree with this. I doubt it has hardly any impact, if any, a year from now.
I think a lot of what you guys are struggling with is you are not viewing it as a casual gold fan. You guys are privy to and providing insight that 90% of people that comment on the story don't have. All most people see is rich guy gives poor Mexican 5k after winning over 1 million. They don't know or care about anything other than that. Again, not right but that's the reality of it.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:20 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:And those people probably were never true Kuch fans to begin with who care who sponsors him and it certainly won't change their viewing or spending habits.
All most people see is rich guy gives poor Mexican 5k after winning over 1 million. They don't know or care about anything other than that. Again, not right but that's the reality of it.
I'm simply giving my opinion. I understand the opposite one and why it comes from ignorance; ignorance that golf.com is feeding on for hits.
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