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re: Ball Rollback For All - USGA/R&A
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:26 am to MikeD
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:26 am to MikeD
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Is 5 yards going to make a difference? I’d figure hitting fairways and greens, and improving your short game would be more important.
I don’t get the max out of the golf ball because I don’t have tremendous swing speed. Im just playing for fun.
This artificial “let’s not bifurcate the game” nonsense is silly.
Tournament golf is different than the fifth flight of member guest, or a quick 9 after work.
The game is beyond bifurcated.
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:00 am to makersmark1
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This artificial “let’s not bifurcate the game” nonsense is silly.
quote:Wow, what a terrible take. Bifurcation is 9ne of the worst ideas in the history of sport.
The game is beyond bifurcated.
As to the roll back in general, just about every level of golfer is overreacting.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:19 am to AlxTgr
I don’t think anything should have been changed at all.. but bifurcation is an immensely better option than a ball roll back.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:49 am to PhiTiger1764
If you continue to play with a scuffed ball, you are losing more distance than the proposed rollback.
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:17 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:This is the most wrong thing I have ever read in any context ever. The ball distance now is an arbitrary number the USGA came up with. The ball could have always gone farther. The roll back number could have always been the number. Bifurcation is just a terrible, terrible idea.
but bifurcation is an immensely better option than a ball roll back.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:07 am to AlxTgr
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Bifurcation is just a terrible, terrible idea.
Guys on tour are playing balls you don't have access to, so it's already bifurcated to a point
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:48 am to AlxTgr
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This is the most wrong thing I have ever read in any context ever.
Ok. Care to explain why it is your opinion that bifurcation is the worst idea in the history of sports?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:53 am to hehateme2285
quote:Very few and those are still subject to USGA approval.
Guys on tour are playing balls you don't have access to, so it's already bifurcated to a point
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:55 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:Sure.
Ok. Care to explain why it is your opinion that bifurcation is the worst idea in the history of sports?
It doesn't serve any purpose.
It means that the pros are playing different equipment. All those guys and gals were beginners, high school and college players at some point.
One of the beauties of golf is, we are all playing the same game with the same stuff no matter how many times people here claim we do not.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:30 am to AlxTgr
I don't see the big deal. So I lose 10 yards on my drive and have to hit a 9i approach shot instead of a PW.
How many of us lay shots up to a preferred distance from the green, maybe it's 100 yards or 110 or 90, in order to get a shot we like? You don't use all the distance available in the ball doing that now.
Amateur golfers game will adjust and scores will be the same.
How many of us lay shots up to a preferred distance from the green, maybe it's 100 yards or 110 or 90, in order to get a shot we like? You don't use all the distance available in the ball doing that now.
Amateur golfers game will adjust and scores will be the same.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:34 am to SoDakHawk
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:46 pm to AlxTgr
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It doesn't serve any purpose.
Of course it does. Bifurcation would achieve what the governing bodies want to achieve: the perceived distance issue in the professional game would be limited to ensure the sustainability of existing (historic) courses. It’s why it was an option on the table.
The amateur game on the other hand also has a distance problem: most amateurs need MORE distance because they don’t hit it that far and are already playing tees too far back.
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It means that the pros are playing different equipment. All those guys and gals were beginners, high school and college players at some point. One of the beauties of golf is, we are all playing the same game with the same stuff no matter how many times people here claim we do not.
Agreed. I don’t like the idea of bifurcation. I just think it’s better than a roll back.
Doing nothing at all is the best option. I don’t think golf has a distance problem.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:47 pm to SoDakHawk
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I don't see the big deal. So I lose 10 yards on my drive and have to hit a 9i approach shot instead of a PW.
Or maybe your PW becomes an 8i because all the sudden your 9i isn’t going as far either..
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:10 pm to AlxTgr
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One of the beauties of golf is, we are all playing the same game with the same stuff
I’ll never understand why people give a shite about this. Actually I do understand, most of y’all are weirdos that think stupid shite like this matters. I don’t give a frick if I’m playing the same stuff as the pros, I care about playing golf, period
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:27 pm to kc8876
How is Taylor made going to convince people to spend $600 on a new driver if they can’t demonstrate its miraculousness on tv. Bifurcation would mean less reason to advertise, less money into the pot. Now, that’s a tv and player problem.
The USGA is responsible for the sport. Every course built before 1980 was designed with certain equipment characteristics in mind. The sport is more than driver wedge putt.
The USGA is responsible for the sport. Every course built before 1980 was designed with certain equipment characteristics in mind. The sport is more than driver wedge putt.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:34 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:The people that need more distance aren't going to be helped or hurt by a golf ball.
The amateur game on the other hand also has a distance problem: most amateurs need MORE distance because they don’t hit it that far and are already playing tees too far back.
quote:Agree on 1, disagree on 2.
Doing nothing at all is the best option. I don’t think golf has a distance problem.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:36 pm to kc8876
quote:I think you are misinterpreting what I posted. I do not mean playing a certain club because a pro does. I mean the simple fact that the items used are uniform across the board.
most of y’all are weirdos that think stupid shite like this matters. I don’t give a frick if I’m playing the same stuff as the pros, I care about playing golf, period
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:18 pm to AlxTgr
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I mean the simple fact that the items used are uniform across the board.
But they’re not. Rory said so.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:56 pm to AlxTgr
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One of the beauties of golf is, we are all playing the same game with the same stuff no matter how many times people here claim we do not.
That’s like saying a professional distance shooter with a custom rifle is using the same equipment as me and my off the shelf REM 700
Nothing about professional equipment is stock. They aren’t picking up a wedge at Dicks on the way to the tourney.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:55 am to KingRanch
quote:They really are.
But they’re not. Rory said so.
As to the rank am issue:
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According to the governing bodies’ research, recreational players should expect to see a decrease of less than five yards in driving distance, based on an average swing speed of 93 mph for male golfers and 72 mph for female players. And when they get into their irons, they’re likely to see no perceptible change in distance.
People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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