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re: Why did the FPS take over as the preferred genre of modern video games?
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:43 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:43 pm to CBandits82
I just hate in general that games overall have transformed into these games that are instant gratification or simple as just hitting a few buttons.
I miss games like FFX or KOTOR that had amazing storylines and systems of combat that made me think. I guess I should just start looking for those instead of waiting for one to hit mainstream
I miss games like FFX or KOTOR that had amazing storylines and systems of combat that made me think. I guess I should just start looking for those instead of waiting for one to hit mainstream
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:46 pm to chrisksaint
I think it's easy to view that as rare now but honestly those games were few then too, that's what made them so special. There were still plenty of crap games then too.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:49 pm to chrisksaint
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I miss games like FFX or KOTOR that had amazing storylines and systems of combat that made me think. I guess I should just start looking for those instead of waiting for one to hit mainstream
They still exist but, yeah, they aren't typically mainstream. "Valkyria Chronicles" is an awesome JRPG with a good story and really unique, strategic combat system, in case you have a PS3 and haven't tried it.
Oauron, assuming he sees this thread, could probably recommend loads more than me.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:52 pm to Mr Gardoki
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There were still plenty of crap games then too.
This is true. I think what's happened is the dude-bro masses have sort of invaded the hobby and mostly only play FPS's. This has created more noise and attention in that genre but there are still fans out there for the more thoughtful games. It can be more difficult to filter out the garbage than it once was but those special titles are still being made.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:58 pm to DieDaily
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I think what's happened is the dude-bro masses have sort of invaded the hobby and mostly only play FPS's. This has created more noise and attention in that genre but there are still fans out there for the more thoughtful games. It can be more difficult to filter out the garbage than it once was but those special titles are still being made.
Bingo. That was my comment in the Wii-U thread as well. It's not that the games aren't technically impressive. But gameplay wise? shooters are easy. That's why real "competitive FPS" doesn't exist and that's left to MOBA's, RTS's and the like. They just aren't complicated games at all and take very little strategy.
They aren't games, and most of the "dude-bro" games are just military, murder or genocide simulators essentially.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:01 am to DieDaily
My timeline was a bit off but I definitely think Medal of Honor was the force that sent fps into the stratosphere, at least at the mainstream level. Especially since it was on console instead of just on the PC. Your unreal and quake players were mostly hardcore folks. When Medal of Honor hit consoles it opened the genre up to a whole new player base too.
Regardless, quake, unreal, and Medal of Honor all played roles in the process. To me quake was the catalyst and Medal of Honor was the explosion but I was a casual gamer. Not so much into the whole clans and mods and hardcore thing. I played a lot of video games, I mean a fricking shite ton, but i would never have considered myself a hardcore gamer back then.
Regardless, quake, unreal, and Medal of Honor all played roles in the process. To me quake was the catalyst and Medal of Honor was the explosion but I was a casual gamer. Not so much into the whole clans and mods and hardcore thing. I played a lot of video games, I mean a fricking shite ton, but i would never have considered myself a hardcore gamer back then.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:06 am to ThaKaptin
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My timeline was a bit off but I definitely think Medal of Honor was the force that sent fps into the stratosphere
i'll never forget the first time i saw allied assault, it was incredible. but, i had also played unreal before that. i think because pc's were so much more expensive back then most people who would have played fps on pc did console because of the economics of it all and it has carried over to today.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:07 am to ThaKaptin
They were already popular, but they really exploded when they added the leveling up and stat tracking for the "dude bros" to measure and brag about their e-peen.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:29 am to SG_Geaux
I get and agree with what you are saying about FPSs & "dude bros" but I think you are understating or at least forgetting something that is very essential for that genre.
A) It's just down right fun to play. Yes, it might not be your thing but as a whole it's one of those games that are just fun.
B) Competitiveness and the drive to be better than that other guy is one of the biggest drugs you'll ever take.
I personally play all types of games from sports sims to RPG to RTS to story driven games, etc. the list can go on and on, but like most I do enjoy FPSs a lot even though I don't play them as much. I think this is mainly due to how stagnant the genre has become with the games being recycled but still FPSs are probably one of my favs for the reasons I stated above.
A) It's just down right fun to play. Yes, it might not be your thing but as a whole it's one of those games that are just fun.
B) Competitiveness and the drive to be better than that other guy is one of the biggest drugs you'll ever take.
I personally play all types of games from sports sims to RPG to RTS to story driven games, etc. the list can go on and on, but like most I do enjoy FPSs a lot even though I don't play them as much. I think this is mainly due to how stagnant the genre has become with the games being recycled but still FPSs are probably one of my favs for the reasons I stated above.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:39 am to McRebel42
I have quake 2 on steam if anyone wants to play sometime 
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:40 am to McRebel42
I like a good FPS, but I don't like CODs and BF4s that try to seem realistic, but aren't at all.
I like TF2 for fast, crazy combat, and then Planetside2 for the large scale teamwork involved.
I used to love Americas Army on the PC, but it is much too slow paced for the ADHD crowd.
I like TF2 for fast, crazy combat, and then Planetside2 for the large scale teamwork involved.
I used to love Americas Army on the PC, but it is much too slow paced for the ADHD crowd.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:54 am to SG_Geaux
See that's what I meant.
The problem I think some us "truer" gamers have with the CODs of the world is what the represent to gaming.
In turn this distaste of those type games puts a dark cloud over the genre as a whole and IMO when tend to overlook a good game because we dismiss it prematurely given the genre.
A good FPS can have a great storyline, strategy, gameplay, etc. that we quantify in a great game but our problem is we have been over saturated with COD recycles that make us believe that those type of game couldn't possibly exist and that the FPS is for the soft, casual gamer that doesn't like a challenge and only wants instant gratification.
Where that statement is usually true it doesn't mean it actually holds true for the genre as a whole.
The problem I think some us "truer" gamers have with the CODs of the world is what the represent to gaming.
In turn this distaste of those type games puts a dark cloud over the genre as a whole and IMO when tend to overlook a good game because we dismiss it prematurely given the genre.
A good FPS can have a great storyline, strategy, gameplay, etc. that we quantify in a great game but our problem is we have been over saturated with COD recycles that make us believe that those type of game couldn't possibly exist and that the FPS is for the soft, casual gamer that doesn't like a challenge and only wants instant gratification.
Where that statement is usually true it doesn't mean it actually holds true for the genre as a whole.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:24 pm to McRebel42
If it's a fun game, I'll play it. That's what video games are suppose to be for. Turning your nose up at a game because the dude/bros or whatever like it is just dumb. Yeah I like a broad range of genres but for me the one that keeps me interested the longest is the massive multiplayer fps.
The problem with the line of thinking that you don't wanna play it because of the dude bros is (can't believe I'm even using that term), in an fps, the more ppl that play, the better the experience. Not because of the people themselves but because your console/PC needs as many connection options as possible to find the one with the shortest ping. Otherwise you are playing in a lag-fest because the lobby/server selection sucks arse.
This is why the smaller titles never make it. The bigger numbers always stay with the titles they know and recognize because unlike us adults, kids don't have all kinds of money to throw at a wide variety of games just to see if they like it. They know they have liked the cod/bf games in the past so smart money is that they will enjoy the new one too. So that's what they buy/talk their parents into buying and therefore boosting the player base and in turn raising the overall quality of the multiplayer experience by not forcing you to wait a half second between hearing bang and hitting the other guy.
So even if you want to stay away from the big name titles you aren't going to have a great game experience, at least not in multiplayer mode. Now if all you are interested is the single player campaign, then great, but how many of us play fps for the campaign? Yeah we play it and at least somewhat enjoy it, but the whole purpose of buying the game is the multiplayer.
Bottom line is, being a video game snob only hurts your own gaming experience. At least in the case of the fps genre. Because as the minority, your "boycott", for lack of a better term, isn't going to make a difference in a money driven market.
The problem with the line of thinking that you don't wanna play it because of the dude bros is (can't believe I'm even using that term), in an fps, the more ppl that play, the better the experience. Not because of the people themselves but because your console/PC needs as many connection options as possible to find the one with the shortest ping. Otherwise you are playing in a lag-fest because the lobby/server selection sucks arse.
This is why the smaller titles never make it. The bigger numbers always stay with the titles they know and recognize because unlike us adults, kids don't have all kinds of money to throw at a wide variety of games just to see if they like it. They know they have liked the cod/bf games in the past so smart money is that they will enjoy the new one too. So that's what they buy/talk their parents into buying and therefore boosting the player base and in turn raising the overall quality of the multiplayer experience by not forcing you to wait a half second between hearing bang and hitting the other guy.
So even if you want to stay away from the big name titles you aren't going to have a great game experience, at least not in multiplayer mode. Now if all you are interested is the single player campaign, then great, but how many of us play fps for the campaign? Yeah we play it and at least somewhat enjoy it, but the whole purpose of buying the game is the multiplayer.
Bottom line is, being a video game snob only hurts your own gaming experience. At least in the case of the fps genre. Because as the minority, your "boycott", for lack of a better term, isn't going to make a difference in a money driven market.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:30 pm to ThaKaptin
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If it's a fun game, I'll play it. That's what video games are suppose to be for.
I agree. I mostly play video games for entertainment but that isn't the sole purpose. Just like I don't watch movies or read books only for fun. I like a good story and if it makes me look at something in a way I hadn't before, that's even better.
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Now if all you are interested is the single player campaign, then great, but how many of us play fps for the campaign?
If I play a game, this is the reason 95% of the time. I want a good single player experience and story. Multiplayer is fine and I played it a good bit when I was younger but it's gotten very stale to me. I am really craving games that let you interact with your environment in ways other than shooting at it.
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Bottom line is, being a video game snob only hurts your own gaming experience. At least in the case of the fps genre. Because as the minority, your "boycott", for lack of a better term, isn't going to make a difference in a money driven market.
I don't think anyone here is being a "snob." Play the games you like. I don't buy games I know I won't like and this typically means military shooters. I think "boycott" is too strong a word in this context but we all essentially cast a ballot with our money. I usually try to "vote" for the games I think are pushing gaming forward in some way. That can be through unique gameplay or story. I don't expect the majority of people to "vote" the same way as me (but I often wish they would).
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:40 pm to ThaKaptin
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Turning your nose up at a game because the dude/bros or whatever like it is just dumb. Yeah I like a broad range of genres but for me the one that keeps me interested the longest is the massive multiplayer fps.
The problem with the line of thinking that you don't wanna play it because of the dude bros is (can't believe I'm even using that term), in an fps, the more ppl that play, the better the experience. Not because of the people themselves but because your console/PC needs as many connection options as possible to find the one with the shortest ping. Otherwise you are playing in a lag-fest because the lobby/server selection sucks arse.
This is why the smaller titles never make it. The bigger numbers always stay with the titles they know and recognize because unlike us adults, kids don't have all kinds of money to throw at a wide variety of games just to see if they like it. They know they have liked the cod/bf games in the past so smart money is that they will enjoy the new one too. So that's what they buy/talk their parents into buying and therefore boosting the player base and in turn raising the overall quality of the multiplayer experience by not forcing you to wait a half second between hearing bang and hitting the other guy.
While you make a couple of ok points you whiffed completely on what some people are saying.
They aren't saying that they don't play dude-bro FPS's because of dude-bros. They are saying that the proliferation of dude-bro's and the popularity of FPSs' within the dude-bro community has lowered the overall quality of FPS shooters and created a bunch of uninspired and bad clones and yearly updates.
Or, if you want to take dude-phrasing out of it...
The growing popularity of games, particularly within certain groups of gamers, has affected creativity and quality of certain genres of games.
Is that better?
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So even if you want to stay away from the big name titles you aren't going to have a great game experience, at least not in multiplayer mode. Now if all you are interested is the single player campaign, then great, but how many of us play fps for the campaign? Yeah we play it and at least somewhat enjoy it, but the whole purpose of buying the game is the multiplayer.
Bottom line is, being a video game snob only hurts your own gaming experience. At least in the case of the fps genre. Because as the minority, your "boycott", for lack of a better term, isn't going to make a difference in a money driven market.
So we should support bad games that happen to be popular just because?
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:20 pm to DieDaily
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They still exist but, yeah, they aren't typically mainstream. "Valkyria Chronicles" is an awesome JRPG with a good story and really unique, strategic combat system, in case you have a PS3 and haven't tried it.
Oauron, assuming he sees this thread, could probably recommend loads more than me.
Love that you're repping Valkyria at all times.
But yes, story driven games with great combat is exactly what I look for in a game. This type of game generally doesn't get a ton of attention because they tend to have lower budgets and don't push the graphical boundaries. Doesn't mean they're bad or not enjoyable though. Nier has a sub 70 average, and I'd take it over every GOTY this past generation.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:23 am to oauron
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Love that you're repping Valkyria at all times.
It's like a checklist of what I like in games.
- Good story (a bit heavy handed at times, but that's par for the course with a lot of anime)
- Fun, unique, and deep gameplay
- Original art style
It also frequently introduces new game mechanics which throws wrinkles into each mission that force you to think differently.
Throw in the fact it's proof Sega can still make great games (I was a diehard Sega fan back in the day) and it's almost the perfect title for me and one a lot of people missed.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 11:49 am to DieDaily
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Throw in the fact it's proof Sega can still make great games
They can. It was made by the same team who made Skies of Arcadia (if you couldn't tell from the cameos).
This post was edited on 11/28/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/28/13 at 3:41 pm to ThaKaptin
Don't forget return to castle wolfenstein
Posted on 11/29/13 at 10:49 am to DieDaily
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This is true. I think what's happened is the dude-bro masses have sort of invaded the hobby and mostly only play FPS's.
This probably has a lot to do with it. The hobby exploded with a ton of these types of players, allowing the FPS genre to explode as a result.
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I usually try to "vote" for the games I think are pushing gaming forward in some way.
Pretty much where I stand. I feel like the constant onslaught of FPS by major studios has stopped the envelope from being pushed forward in the gaming industry.
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 10:53 am
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