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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:21 pm to
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Incredible gaming performance gains with the new Windows update for Ryzen. Make sure you update, I got the update on Tuesday (KB5041587).


Thanks for this, going check for update now
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:09 pm to
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Josh - are you going to do a separate thread when you do your mythical 4k gaming build? Not that I am going to leech off your research (which is what I'm going to be doing, of course), but it might be interesting to shadow along, perhaps at a lower budget tier. I only ask because it has been about 8 years since I did a new build. (Is LSU Coyote still a going concern around here?) And, at least conceptually, we will be broadly pursuing the same goals for the build - at least the key components of CPU, MB, GPU, monitor.

I wasn’t planning on it, but I certainly can

Eta: Fair warning that I’m probably going to do a rear connector build, so my motherboard might be on the niche side
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Thanks for this, going check for update now

The uplift varies pretty significantly between chips and usage cases, so don’t worry if you don’t see much uplift in a particular application.

Anyway, it genuinely blows me away that AMD was leaving this performance on the table for the last few generations, as this isn’t specific to Zen 5. Good on HUB for chewing on the issue until AMD responded with their testing methodology, which then explained why nearly every reviewer, and by extension the overwhelming majority of users, was/were showing underwhelming performance, therefore prompting the longer overdue Windows update.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:54 pm to
AMD just wants us to relive through the shitty driver days of the early 2010s
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:56 pm to
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Joshjrn


is DDR5 still expensive as it was 3 years ago?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:59 pm to
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is DDR5 still expensive as it was 3 years ago?

Significantly cheaper. Scroll down for your chosen speed, and this only shows the last 18mos: LINK /
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 2:15 pm to
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AMD just wants us to relive through the shitty driver days of the early 2010s

I just don’t get why AMD can’t ever manage a win

It’s like with GPUs. They could have picked up major market share over the last few years. Instead, they inevitably priced them about $50-$100 too high, got mediocre reviews, then dropped the price 30 days later.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 2:48 pm to
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AMD just wants us to relive through the shitty driver days of the early 2010s



It's always been a Windows issue, glad to see MS get it corrected finally though as AMD has picked up enough market share to get things done now. Years ago it was said MS had no desire to optimize for AMD chips, and this is the culmination of years of optimization in one large Windows update so the gains are quite substantial even on previous gen chips.

Still insane the 5800X3D sees +17% gains across the 8 games tested. That CPU is quite literally GOATed. Not sure we will ever see a CPU that good again.

HardwareUnboxed with similar gains reported as well
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The channel found that, on average, across dozens of games, average frame rates increased by about 10 percent for a Zen 4-based Ryzen 7 7700X. Ryzen 7 9700X improved more, as AMD said it would, by 11 percent.


Nothing quite like installing a Windows update and getting +10% frames.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:04 am to
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Nothing quite like installing a Windows update and getting +10% frames.



I don't monitor FPS. Should I be?
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:55 am to
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I don't monitor FPS. Should I be?

Um… kind of? If you’re getting good performance, it doesn’t really matter beyond dick measuring. If you’re having poor performance, then monitoring both fps as well as hardware usage is important.

As an example, I recently installed and played GRIME. Nice graphics, but 2D platformer which isn’t all that intensive. Yet, stuttering was awful. I looked at my fps and it was terrible. Like 40fps terrible. Then I noticed that my GPU was at 99% utilization … but clocking at like 200mhz. After a significant amount of trouble shooting that doesn’t matter (short version was an issue with Afterburner), I was able to get my hardware to play nicely with the game, which then shot me up to a solid 120fps.

But if I wasn’t prepared to monitor all of that when I ran into some odd behavior, I never would have figured out the issue.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:57 am to
Not really. Only if you're having issues and want to see if it's low FPS or big dips in FPS causing it so you can tweak settings to get more frames. Could always be bad game optimization too/bad port.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:08 pm to
It's nice to blame FPS drops when I potato a spray
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:51 am to
Two free steam games if anybody wants.

Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition
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Pathfinder: Kingmaker — Enhanced Plus Edition
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Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:44 am to
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Um… kind of? If you’re getting good performance, it doesn’t really matter beyond dick measuring.



I don't be winning any of those. But I haven't observed any issues related to performance. If I get curious, I turn on the Rivia overlay but I have had it off for months now.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:04 am to
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I don't be winning any of those. But I haven't observed any issues related to performance. If I get curious, I turn on the Rivia overlay but I have had it off for months now.

Unless you’re playing competitively, as long as the game looks good and feels good, it’s not worth worrying about.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29894 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 5:21 pm to
I saw an article this morning commemorating four years since the release of the 30 series, which then reminded me for the first time in a while of the absolute saga that was MTech. What a fricking ride, those "shipping" pics and videos were like fricking crack

r/mtechtx
Posted by bad93ex
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:48 pm to
Any predictions for the price of PC components between now and the end of the year? Youngest wants to rebuild one of my older Gaming PCs and I think we will be following this modest build guide
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29894 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:42 pm to
That’s actually a pretty old guide at this point, so I wouldn’t expect significant price reductions moving forward, as those are mostly already priced in. You say you’re rebuilding; are you carrying any components forward? What’s your price range? What does he play, at what resolution, and with what target frames per second?
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
30708 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:46 pm to
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are you carrying any components forward?


Just the case and hard drive if possible

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What’s your price range?


$750

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What does he play


Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, Apex Legens and Warzone

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at what resolution


1080P

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target frames per second


Target is to be able to play above 60 FPS at 1440P when he can finally upgrade his monitor
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