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Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:15 am to
Posted by lazlodawg
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:15 am to
No doubt about the boot drive- I have a 250gb WD Black 4.0 m.2 I'm reusing for my OS. I think it will all come together with a cool white/silver aesthetic rather than going with the straight-up all white. I'll post pics when I'm done, but it will be a couple of weeks. I want to build it with my nephew who is really into computers. He's really excited about it and I think it will be a cool bonding experience.
Posted by lazlodawg
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:19 am to
I seriously considered that case as well! I went with the flow because I got a sweeeeeeet deal on a return that also had a white cooler master vertical gpu bracket in it that wasn't removed by whoever returned it. Do I feel a little guilty about it? Sure. Guilty enough to return it to microcenter? Not a chance.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29922 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:43 am to
quote:

No doubt about the boot drive- I have a 250gb WD Black 4.0 m.2 I'm reusing for my OS. I think it will all come together with a cool white/silver aesthetic rather than going with the straight-up all white. I'll post pics when I'm done, but it will be a couple of weeks. I want to build it with my nephew who is really into computers. He's really excited about it and I think it will be a cool bonding experience.


Then I withdraw any and all objections
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
53983 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:56 am to
EA produces some of the most un-optimized PC games I have ever seen.

Madden and Jedi Fallen Order AND Survivor BOTH cause my 5700x to instantly spike to 90 degrees C in FREAKING MENUS!!!!

No other games I have do this to my PC - NONE.

I've literally had to fix my CPU to 4.0 GHz and limit voltage to keep the temps in the 80s when playing those freaking EA titles.

NO OTHER GAMES I HAVE DO THIS - such a big pile of shite.

Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:44 pm to
While those games aren’t optimized, the menu issue is unrelated and usually caused by not capping frame rate in the menu, which causes CPU load to spike. I globally cap my frame rate to make sure Gsync doesn’t run into issues, so I rarely have runaway CPU temps, but some games, including Jedi Survivor, annoy the piss out of me that there’s nowhere in the menu to “rest” your components, usually because the menu is just superimposed on the screen while it continued to render the game world behind it. And it’s doubly worse for Survivor because you can’t save at will. A week or so ago, I found myself needing to get up right then, but I was in the middle of a puzzle far away from a meditation point. Literally just had to walk away from the menu letting my PC pull over 500w for over an hour while I went take care of what I needed to.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:11 pm to
TBF, I have a 144 limit on frames and it still gets very warm on start up on some games.

Like 80 plus during start up and mid 50's during gaming.

Come to think of it. It's all games.

AM5 cpu's need to be tamed, I guess.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29922 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:28 pm to
Remind me what cooler you have?
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:37 pm to
DH-15 chromax.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:38 pm to
Although, the only games I play are sims 3,4 and Cyberpunk in short intervals.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29922 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:56 pm to
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DH-15 chromax.


Great cooler, but air is always going to spike high. Just doesn’t have the thermal soaking capacity of water. So even though your chip isn’t high wattage, later gen AMD chips are designed with a tjmax of 90c, so it will by design spike very high without relief if you can’t soak it. Nothing to worry about, though. That’s how they designed the power curve.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
53983 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 4:51 pm to
I cleaned my case, updated my BIOS to the latest version, re-did my PBO2/CO settings, and still can't get the 5700x to cool properly when playing EA titles...

Its maddening. Also set a global FPS limit in NVIDIA Control, and that didn't help it at all

So I decided to manually set the thermal throttle limit from auto (90 degrees for the 5700x) to 83 degrees in the BIOS, and thats worked.

I didn't want to set the 5700x to ECO-mode, and didn't want to manually set the frequency and voltage.

Just maddening that this CPU always finds a way to stay cool in ANYTHING but EA games
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29922 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 8:42 pm to
Come on in, the water’s fine
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
10691 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:50 am to
Well, I'm a dumbass and forgot that I turned off the 144 limiter when doing benchmarks.

Start-up screens are also now in the 50's. The only exception is Sims 4. It gets up to mid 60's during loading.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29922 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:36 am to
I was genuinely surprised it was still spiking so hot, but that now makes sense
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:31 pm to
How much would it cost to get a PC to play games at an at least consistent 60 fps and on par with ps5? I enjoy how much freedom mods give and studios sometimes have built into their pc games like wider field of view etc. I mean how much to play 2023 AAA biggest budget games like ff16 remake2 and spiderman 2. I have steam and a computer that runs games but i pretty much only use it for ps3 games since theyre the ones most relegated to the dungeon.

BTW I know absolutely none of the terminology like RX8000 or whatever so if you could explain it like im Billy Madison id be grateful.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
2735 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

How much would it cost to get a PC to play games at an at least consistent 60 fps and on par with ps5?


Less than $1000 if you are just trying to build a machine that can play 1080p/1440p on medium/low settings capped at 60 fps… but you’re missing a lot of details like the specific resolution you want to game at, do you want higher settings and still maintain the 60 fps, how long do you want your machine to last, do you care about ray tracing? A lot of these questions will also effect how much your Pc will cost.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 12:53 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
25148 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:58 pm to
I mostly play on PS5 now so I would want it to do at least everything it could do so yes to ray tracing etc. Im not sure what the higher settings actually do like anti alias or any of that my reason for getting it would be an at least exact same PS5 level experience but able to mod and have the pc port options studios give. So lets say not top of line but a little above current medium grade for that level. I would guess 3000?

ETA building a new one from scratch not adding to my current pc
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
2735 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:35 pm to
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So lets say not top of line but a little above current medium grade for that level.


I would go with something like this

PCpartpicker list

If you can go higher I’d recommend getting a 4070/4070ti as your GPU for the new dlss 3 feature along with better raytracing performance, but you sacrifice vram which you will want more of as developers continue to unoptimize games for PC, which means more vram is required for high quality textures to load. Also the case is personal preference and there are plenty of good options depending on your needs and style. I didn’t include the case fans in the list though as that also comes down to the case and your personal taste
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67634 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:40 pm to
6950XT is the perfect gpu for you.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18855 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:58 pm to
Just ordered the ASRock Z690 Phantom with Thunderbolt 4 to go with my 12900k. Price was sketchily low, so we'll see if it even shows up
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