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Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:13 pm to
That's super clean. Nice job.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:27 pm to
Just finished Jedi: Survivor, and I’ve gotta say, I now really understand the HWU comparison of native/DLSS/FSR. Prior to this, I had never used FSR because there was no reason to use it over DLSS, which I had access to. With J:S being an AMD sponsored game, I was limited to FSR, and honestly, I just wasn’t particularly impressed. It’s fine. The performance gain is worth using over native. But it was noticeably worse than any recent implementation of DLSS 2.x. Some areas looked really great, but sizzling and ghosting were downright immersion breaking at certain points, and I say that as someone who always uses DLSS Quality over native. I’m pulling for AMD to continue closing the gap, but FSR still has a ways to go before it’s a true challenge to DLSS.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
11532 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:42 pm to
FSR is dogshit below 4k. It's fricking terrible to meh(at best).

It's supposed to be good at 4k. IDK.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:52 pm to
I was playing at 1440x3440, and yeah, kinda meh. Again, probably worth the degradation on average for the performance boost, but definitely more of a compromise than DLSS. Sizzling is really hard to catch in a screenshot, but ghosting was so bad on one elevator that I felt compelled to take one:



ETA: The fact that you can tell at a glance whether I'm going up or down is a fricking problem
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 7:55 pm
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:30 pm to
OMFG.

I'm assuming it's going down.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

I'm assuming it's going down.


Ja

I swear, it's like counting tree rings. I think I can see about 15 on the wall towards the right before they finally fade out.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
11532 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:44 pm to
I mean it can be pretty bad for cyberpunk when turning on everything, but it ain't that bad.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:39 pm to


It is complete. It’s such a massive step up from my i7 9700k and Vega 64 card it’s hard to describe.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:07 am to
Awesome work
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:40 pm to
Damn, that looks good.

Meanwhile my computer is shoved under my desk never to be seen
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32749 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:13 pm to
Your PC had better not be on the fricking floor, you damned heathen
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:18 pm to
Heat rises… lower to ground means better thermals… it’s the 500iq play.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32749 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:01 am to
quote:

Heat rises… lower to ground means better thermals… it’s the 500iq play.


So... much... dust...
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 11:13 am to
It's mounted to my desk
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32749 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

It's mounted to my desk


Ah, ok. Well then objection withdrawn
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
11532 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 11:02 pm to
Dayum. Had a -30 curve on my cpu with optimized pbo that put me at 5650 mhz. It went well until today.

ff7 remake hates that shite. Had to turn off the optimizer and go back to -25. I hope it sticks now.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32749 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:48 am to
quote:

Dayum. Had a -30 curve on my cpu with optimized pbo that put me at 5650 mhz. It went well until today.

ff7 remake hates that shite. Had to turn off the optimizer and go back to -25. I hope it sticks now.


If I were to venture a guess, FF7 is using cores that your normal games don't heavily use. A -30 all core is a very, very aggressive curve. You're almost always going to have at least a couple of cores that can't reach that. But you'll never have issues if those cores don't get hit hard. As soon as they are, you'll crash like crazy.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54363 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:41 am to
I think I have my 5700x set to
-7
-25
-25
-25
-25
-12
-25
-25

Oddly -25 all core works just fine while I play games, but if I watch a Youtube Video, or Netflix, it crashes.

Lighter workloads seem to screw with more aggressive curves for some reason.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32749 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:59 am to
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Lighter workloads seem to screw with more aggressive curves for some reason.


Lower temps. The frequency curve is based on temperature. That’s why offsets to lower voltage result in higher clock speeds. But, higher clock with lower voltage tends to be less stable. So during gaming when the load is high, even with the offset, temps rise enough to keep clock down enough to be stable. But if a program asks for full clock state but the load is actually low, temps stay down, clock shoots up, and you get a crash.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
11532 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:02 am to
It worked fine outside ff7.

Everything else I did worked great.

CPU stress test: fine
Benchmark: fine
Games like ESO, EU4, RDR2, and cyber punk: fine

FF7 remake: nope.

It's held up well after an adjustment. The buzzing sounds from the speakers and the hard restarts are no more. At least for now.
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