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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:56 am to UltimateHog
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:56 am to UltimateHog
Morning everyone
No good options for nVidia pre-arm purchase I can find..
No good options for nVidia pre-arm purchase I can find..
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 4:24 pm to LSU Coyote
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Over at Igor's Lab, sources have indicated that the upcoming Ryzen 9 4950X will have a boost frequency of 4.8 GHz, which is seriously impressive given that it's expected to be a 16-core, 32-thread part. As with any leaked information, we do have to take it with a grain of salt, though, and preliminary specs are always subject to change.
The information comes from an OPN code Igor managed to get his hands on, which reads "100-000000059-52_48/35_Y." Decoding that, the 35 at the end signifies the 3.5 GHz base clock, with 4.8 telling us the boost clock is 4.8 GHz.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:10 pm to UltimateHog
Is that really impressive? Current 3950x does 4.7ghz. I was thinking they could push it to 5ghz.
1800x was 4.0, 2700x was 4.3, 3800xt is at 4.7...figured they could get 4th gen up to 5.
1800x was 4.0, 2700x was 4.3, 3800xt is at 4.7...figured they could get 4th gen up to 5.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:22 pm to thunderbird1100
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Is that really impressive?
Yes, it does more than the current gen top model 12 core as a 16 core and more than the refresh top model. And it's an engineering sample of a new architecture. If you're wanting 5GHz that would be on the lower core count gaming CPU's 6/8 cores most likely, maybe the new 12 core gets there too we'll see but I'd still guess 4.9 max.
AMD also confirms per core voltage feature coming with the new gen. Likely to skip 4000 naming and go to 5000.
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When Intel introduced the CPUs of the 10. generation one of the accompanying innovations was the separate Vcore optimization for each individual core (also via software), i.e. what is called per core voltage adjustments. This is exactly how Intel managed to squeeze a really acceptable performance out of an actually old and inferior structure width. This feature will also be interesting for overclockers and it will be interesting to see how the feature will be integrated into the Ryzen Master Tool.
Interesting here is the first entry, which describes exactly this function. The abbreviations in square brackets stand for the respective chips, i.e. VMR for Vermeer, RN for Renoir etc. The entry for Cezanne (CZN) finally reveals that there seem to be already running copies for this APU.
That is pretty damn big news for OCers.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 8/7/20 at 8:19 am to UltimateHog
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Yes, it does more than the current gen top model 12 core as a 16 core and more than the refresh top model. And it's an engineering sample of a new architecture. If you're wanting 5GHz that would be on the lower core count gaming CPU's 6/8 cores most likely, maybe the new 12 core gets there too we'll see but I'd still guess 4.9 max.
I meani nthe end what matters most is not some arbitrary single core boost clock. All the 3000 chips in games usually sit between 4.2ghz-4.4ghz right now (think 3600 does only 4.0-4.1 stock) with the XT chips going to 4.6ghz it seems like if you manually overclock. If they can get the the 4000 series chips in the 4.7ghz range (Real world), that would be a nice leap considering you expect already a 10%+ IPC improvement. Although still being on 7nm I'm not sure how much clock speed increase they will actually get. Previous gens were all on smaller processes than the previous, 14nm -> 12nm -> 7nm -> 7nm+?
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:19 am to thunderbird1100
AMD has said the average IPC gain is 15%, add in per core voltage and you should see 5GHz OC even likely for the 16 core.
But yeah, a single core clock doesn't mean much. AMD could run them all at 4.5 and blow Intel away across the board they are so far ahead now.
But yeah, a single core clock doesn't mean much. AMD could run them all at 4.5 and blow Intel away across the board they are so far ahead now.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 12:38 pm to UltimateHog
Finally bought all of my PC parts! I should have everything delivered by next Saturday. I think I made out fairly well for an SFF $1500 build. I snagged a 2070 Super FE for $349.99 from Best Buy with a 10% coupon and gift cards.
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $174.99)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 chromax.black 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $49.90)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $179.99)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $75.99)
Storage: Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $79.99)
Storage: SK hynix Gold S31 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $114.99)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For $349.99)
Power Supply: Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (Purchased For $144.99)
Custom Case: Dr. Zaber Sentry 2.0 (Purchased For $306.58)
Total: $1477.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-08 13:36 EDT-0400
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $174.99)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 chromax.black 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $49.90)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $179.99)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $75.99)
Storage: Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $79.99)
Storage: SK hynix Gold S31 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $114.99)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For $349.99)
Power Supply: Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (Purchased For $144.99)
Custom Case: Dr. Zaber Sentry 2.0 (Purchased For $306.58)
Total: $1477.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-08 13:36 EDT-0400
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/8/20 at 3:59 pm to boXerrumble
Is that a pretty good mobo with 4th Gen support?
Posted on 8/8/20 at 4:46 pm to boXerrumble
I love that case.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 4:52 pm to LSU Coyote
Off-topic rant
But out of these 3 tech/PC YouTubers, the goofiest one is actually the cooliest because he knows who he is.. the other two I cringe at most of the time. Steve actually does a good job, if not the best, but Jay is a total fake imo. He not only usually puts out shtty content but he is one of those that some seem to perceive as cool but kind of a lazy tool in the end.
All the shtt I gave Linus over the years, I oddly watch almost every video he puts out now. Mainly because he doesn't try to pretend he knows something he doesn't, and the "projects" are inspirational.
Sorry feeling a little angry today. Rant over.
But out of these 3 tech/PC YouTubers, the goofiest one is actually the cooliest because he knows who he is.. the other two I cringe at most of the time. Steve actually does a good job, if not the best, but Jay is a total fake imo. He not only usually puts out shtty content but he is one of those that some seem to perceive as cool but kind of a lazy tool in the end.
All the shtt I gave Linus over the years, I oddly watch almost every video he puts out now. Mainly because he doesn't try to pretend he knows something he doesn't, and the "projects" are inspirational.
Sorry feeling a little angry today. Rant over.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:26 pm to UltimateHog
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Is that a pretty good mobo with 4th Gen support?
Yep, has an 8 Phase VRM, 90A Current Stages, slightly better than the X570 version.
Will support the 4000 (or 5000) series, so will give a nice upgrade path.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:29 pm to LSU Coyote
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I love that case.
Its built like a tank. Its pretty hefty.
I also remembered what you mentioned in this thread a while back with the Power Supply cables from Corsair.
The SF600 Platinum actually comes with the individually sleeved cables, so it should make cable management a little easier.
It was hard as frick to find the B550 board and the SF600 power supply in stock.
I managed to snag both on Newegg, before they went out of stock again minutes afterwards
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:35 am to boXerrumble
Like Caselab cases
RIP Caselabs
RIP Caselabs
Posted on 8/15/20 at 12:42 pm to LSU Coyote
I might have to go to custom cable lengths eventually. Had to redo cabling 2-3 times, and honestly I'm still not completely satisfied with my work. I don't think I did completely terribly for my first SFF build though.
Basically with Ryzen's behavior, thermals in a case like this are gonna be a challenge when running anything but stock. I did manage to get a very small overclock, stable on Cinebench R20 (but fails instantly with Prime95 - temps jump right above 90+ when doing small FFTs).
4.2 GHz @ 1.16 Vcore - 3797 Multicore Score, Temp max of 85 degrees.
In gaming, I haven't seen temps in this case go above 70 degrees yet.
Haven't tried compiling any FPGA code yet, so that will be the next thing on my list.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, Gigabyte's B550 ITX board is super fricking nice, very hefty with a backplate and feels very premium.
But they royally fricked up the m.2 cooling. Basically theres a big slab of metal attached to the lower metal blocks that connect to the heatpipe on the board. But theres no thermal pad at all for the bigger piece that doesn't attached (see the pictures with the big arse aorus logo on it). The m.2 drive does have its own dedicated heatsink with a thermal pad, but the upper block is completely useless without a thermal pad to connect to the m.2 heatsink and actually seems to hurt thermals.
I went ahead and removed it.
Basically with Ryzen's behavior, thermals in a case like this are gonna be a challenge when running anything but stock. I did manage to get a very small overclock, stable on Cinebench R20 (but fails instantly with Prime95 - temps jump right above 90+ when doing small FFTs).
4.2 GHz @ 1.16 Vcore - 3797 Multicore Score, Temp max of 85 degrees.
In gaming, I haven't seen temps in this case go above 70 degrees yet.
Haven't tried compiling any FPGA code yet, so that will be the next thing on my list.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, Gigabyte's B550 ITX board is super fricking nice, very hefty with a backplate and feels very premium.
But they royally fricked up the m.2 cooling. Basically theres a big slab of metal attached to the lower metal blocks that connect to the heatpipe on the board. But theres no thermal pad at all for the bigger piece that doesn't attached (see the pictures with the big arse aorus logo on it). The m.2 drive does have its own dedicated heatsink with a thermal pad, but the upper block is completely useless without a thermal pad to connect to the m.2 heatsink and actually seems to hurt thermals.
I went ahead and removed it.
This post was edited on 8/15/20 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/15/20 at 7:56 pm to boXerrumble
I love SFFs, I once did a custom loop in a Node 302. They are "fun", but loudish due to the reduced heatsink surface area.
Not bad, how are the fan curves?
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In gaming, I haven't seen temps in this case go above 70 degrees yet.
Not bad, how are the fan curves?
Posted on 8/15/20 at 8:10 pm to LSU Coyote
I wish there were some cool options for SFF server building that didn't cost a kidney. I would love a sweet like dual socket mATX form factor board with limited pcie. With a single or dual high TB drive
Would be my dream
Would be my dream
Posted on 8/15/20 at 8:28 pm to bluebarracuda
Is this true, or do you feel this is true?
The guy must have market data on the trend, but I have never heard someone say or felt the need to upgrade. I mean, PCs are always multiple gens ahead.
Just found it odd.
The guy must have market data on the trend, but I have never heard someone say or felt the need to upgrade. I mean, PCs are always multiple gens ahead.
Just found it odd.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 4:45 am to LSU Coyote
Looking into getting a decent set of flight controls and thankfully talked myself out of drunkenly buying this
LINK
I would have but noticed these sticks didn’t have rudder twist and the foot pedals can be expensive as shite for what they are.
Any recs? I was really REALLY wanting those a-10 replica controls
LINK
I would have but noticed these sticks didn’t have rudder twist and the foot pedals can be expensive as shite for what they are.
Any recs? I was really REALLY wanting those a-10 replica controls
This post was edited on 8/17/20 at 4:54 am
Posted on 8/18/20 at 7:09 pm to pankReb
Im sure this is a question that gets asked a fair bit but:
-Got a new TV a few months ago in preparation of the new console generation, settled on a Samsung TU7000 65’
-My laptop (that I’ve just used for basic stuff, no games outside management sims) is entering the end of its lifespan and I’m wondering if I should get a gaming laptop (no room for full set up at the moment) and use that as my “console” instead.
-I know PC gaming is better and modable. I mostly play sports games except for the odd AAA title (Cyberpunk 2077 will be on this list)
-If I get the gaming laptop can I run that through my tv and get a good experience? I know it probably won’t be exactly 4K but better than typical 1080p?
-Got a new TV a few months ago in preparation of the new console generation, settled on a Samsung TU7000 65’
-My laptop (that I’ve just used for basic stuff, no games outside management sims) is entering the end of its lifespan and I’m wondering if I should get a gaming laptop (no room for full set up at the moment) and use that as my “console” instead.
-I know PC gaming is better and modable. I mostly play sports games except for the odd AAA title (Cyberpunk 2077 will be on this list)
-If I get the gaming laptop can I run that through my tv and get a good experience? I know it probably won’t be exactly 4K but better than typical 1080p?
Posted on 8/20/20 at 4:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No offense but those TU series TV's are some of the worst tv's ever made by Samsung, so it really isn't going to matter. You basically don't have HDR or any gaming features that better TV's all have so just do whatever you want for cheapest like your TV.
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