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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:22 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:22 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Right, and even middle-income folks like myself are still enthusiasts and sure as hell won't be waiting that long.
Yeah, and then before long you'll have used ones and not long after that refurbished ones.
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My QNIX is an LG IPS, not the PLS that's being used in the current models. My panel, for all intents and purposes, does not overclock. I got it to 64Hz, but that's negligible.
Ah that's right, I remember you saying that now.
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:43 pm to Mr Gardoki
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Where did you see it? Describe the experience.
Florida visiting my parents and brothers over Christmas. One of my brother's band mates came by the house. He instantly noticed I had a Nexus 6, he had one too, got to talking about tech, became BFFs, etc.
Conversation eventually got to PC gaming and video cards, then gsync and freesync, and he revealed he had a gsync monitor. I giddily rode with him to his apartment to see it.
(I feel like this story should end with "And then we made love under the stars")
Anyways, he has the Acer XB270H, a 1080P TN panel (good quality though). He was using GTX 770s in SLI.
It's really as I described above. Fluid without the lag and tearing. It's just smooth, even through frame drops. 40fps feels like 70fps in terms of mouse response. No tearing. NO frickING TEARING. An hour of far cry 4 with gsync made me pretty depressed to come back home to my archaic fixed-refresh rate IPS.
One thing I did notice. It does not completely eliminate the stutter you see in games that are poorly optimized for SLI, since the stutter is related to framebuffer delay (manually changing SLI methods in settings may help, but I didn't mess with that on his PC). So, that is another reason 4K gsync is not an interest to me anytime soon, because in those games where SLI support is an afterthought, I'd probably want to use a single card to get the full gsync smoothness.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:57 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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He instantly noticed I had a Nexus 6, he had one too, got to talking about tech, became BFFs, etc.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:30 am to ILikeLSUToo
That sounds amazing. Will you see each other again?
I haven't used sli so I'm not up to date on its issues. High refresh rate is great but I want gsync just to help with 60fps like you said. It's hard enough to maintain 60fps with so many games. Then you get stuck using vsync then turning it off. It always feels like you can't find a middle ground to me.
I really hope this catches on. It's one of the biggest issues in gaming graphics imo. People are so focused on resolution though that I'm worried it won't catch on. Developers don't really help with this either when they claim 30fps to be more cinematic and bullshite like that.
I haven't used sli so I'm not up to date on its issues. High refresh rate is great but I want gsync just to help with 60fps like you said. It's hard enough to maintain 60fps with so many games. Then you get stuck using vsync then turning it off. It always feels like you can't find a middle ground to me.
I really hope this catches on. It's one of the biggest issues in gaming graphics imo. People are so focused on resolution though that I'm worried it won't catch on. Developers don't really help with this either when they claim 30fps to be more cinematic and bullshite like that.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:47 am to Mr Gardoki
I think it's already caught on bruh.
All the big boys have unveiled theirs this weekend at CES.
All of these FreeSync monitors were announced at CES/on display.
I can't wait to see how much those Samsung 4K FreeSync monitors will be, coming in March they said.
All the big boys have unveiled theirs this weekend at CES.
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AMD announced the expansion of the FreeSync ecosystem as technology partners including BenQ, LG Electronics, Nixeus, Samsung, and Viewsonic showcased their upcoming commercially available FreeSync, enabled displays at the 2015 International CES. The unveiling of new FreeSync-enabled displays demonstrates the industry’s commitment to open standards-based technology that enables improved gaming by synchronizing dynamic refresh rates of the displays to the frame rate of AMD Radeon™ R-Series graphics cards and current generation APUs.
All of these FreeSync monitors were announced at CES/on display.
I can't wait to see how much those Samsung 4K FreeSync monitors will be, coming in March they said.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:48 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:52 am to UltimateHog
You're obsessed with 4k
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:54 am to Mr Gardoki
PROBLEM?!
I may sell my kidney and grab one of those Sammy 4K FreeSync monitors + dual 390X's in March.
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One of the more noteworthy announcements is that Samsung will be making FreeSync enabled displays that should be available in March 2015. The displays consist of the 23.6" and 28" UD590, and there will be 23.6", 28", and 31.5" variants of the UE850. These are all UHD (4K) displays, and Samsung has stated their intention to support Adaptive-Sync (and thereby FreeSync) on all of their UHD displays in the future.
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Pricing for the Samsung displays has not been announced, though the existing UD590 models tend to cost around $600 for the 28" version. I'd expect the Adaptive-Sync enabled monitors to have at least a moderate price premium, but we'll see when they become available some time around March 2015.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:59 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:00 am to UltimateHog
Amd is always there to drive prices down. Hopefully theirs works. It would be like them to release a buggy feature like that.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:06 am to Mr Gardoki
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Amd is always there to drive prices down. Hopefully theirs works. It would be like them to release a buggy feature like that.
Well they are completely different though.
There is a big cost difference as well, Adaptive VSync is a royalty-free technology (hence FREEsync) that's part of the DisplayPort standard (the VESA group accepted this extension as an amendment to the DisplayPort 1.2a specifications), GSync requires the monitor manufacturer to include Nvidia hardware into the monitor design. Just about every monitor going forward is expected to support AdaptiveSync, it really is that cheap to implement (can be implemented via a firmware update on some current monitors for example).
Nvidia's tech will lose out to this tech for that very reason and be forced to support it sooner rather than later in their Gsync displays.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:27 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 6:55 am to UltimateHog
They need to hurry up with these monitors, I haven't found a suitable one I want since I built my rig last year.
Just way too may issues reported with the Swift to go all in with that price.
Can't wait to see how the Acer XB270HU stacks ups
Just way too may issues reported with the Swift to go all in with that price.
Can't wait to see how the Acer XB270HU stacks ups
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 7:32 am to UltimateHog
I know how it works. Doesn't mean amd won't have some driver issue on their end. That tends to be their issue.
Eta: I realize this is not likely but it would fit their reputation
Eta: I realize this is not likely but it would fit their reputation
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 7:37 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 12:01 pm to UltimateHog
There was a discussion a while back about gsync vs. freesync.
DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync (not necessarily AMD's FreeSync) will likely win the war, but it's not like Nvidia to bow out quickly. They'll continue to focus on g-sync and keep the market fragmented for as long as possible. A lot of Nvidia's customer base are die-hard fanboys who love the company's proprietary nature (much like Apple). NVidia has complete control over whether it does anything with Adaptive Sync or not, whereas G-sync is totally proprietary and NVidia likes to keep their tech that way. So while Adaptive Sync is an open standard, it doesn't matter how open it is until Nvidia decides to not go out of its way to avoid it.
If the cheaper FreeSync solution proves to be consistently indistinguishable from G-sync, Nvidia has already shot itself in the foot by not getting enough vendors on board and saturating the market with g-sync monitors. They had a whole year to do it. What they should probably do now is sell g-sync chips at a loss. If the market were full of sub-$200/$250 1080p displays with g-sync prior to the release of their first GM204 cards, they might've sold a shite ton of 970s to AMD/freesync holdouts at a slightly higher markup. Of course, I don't know how much of a margin is built in to the $200 gsync premium already. Plus, another cost barrier is panel quality in general. You can't just stick dynamic refresh rate controllers on the grade of panel you'd see in a bargain $120 monitor, so that's part of why even the 1080p gsync monitor are still at a sickening $500.
As for AMD screwing up Freesync, it's highly probable that it will have a rocky start like all of AMD's new developments. It's not a dedicated controller chip, and it still requires heavy software implementation in DP 1.2a firmware and the GPU drivers. Remember that Freesync is all AMD, and it's simply a software solution to make use of DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync implementation. That leaves several uncertainties, like how responsive and consistent it is and whether it performs the same in all games -- and whether NVidia can team up with its usual dev partners to somewhat cripple Freesync at the game level.
DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync (not necessarily AMD's FreeSync) will likely win the war, but it's not like Nvidia to bow out quickly. They'll continue to focus on g-sync and keep the market fragmented for as long as possible. A lot of Nvidia's customer base are die-hard fanboys who love the company's proprietary nature (much like Apple). NVidia has complete control over whether it does anything with Adaptive Sync or not, whereas G-sync is totally proprietary and NVidia likes to keep their tech that way. So while Adaptive Sync is an open standard, it doesn't matter how open it is until Nvidia decides to not go out of its way to avoid it.
If the cheaper FreeSync solution proves to be consistently indistinguishable from G-sync, Nvidia has already shot itself in the foot by not getting enough vendors on board and saturating the market with g-sync monitors. They had a whole year to do it. What they should probably do now is sell g-sync chips at a loss. If the market were full of sub-$200/$250 1080p displays with g-sync prior to the release of their first GM204 cards, they might've sold a shite ton of 970s to AMD/freesync holdouts at a slightly higher markup. Of course, I don't know how much of a margin is built in to the $200 gsync premium already. Plus, another cost barrier is panel quality in general. You can't just stick dynamic refresh rate controllers on the grade of panel you'd see in a bargain $120 monitor, so that's part of why even the 1080p gsync monitor are still at a sickening $500.
As for AMD screwing up Freesync, it's highly probable that it will have a rocky start like all of AMD's new developments. It's not a dedicated controller chip, and it still requires heavy software implementation in DP 1.2a firmware and the GPU drivers. Remember that Freesync is all AMD, and it's simply a software solution to make use of DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync implementation. That leaves several uncertainties, like how responsive and consistent it is and whether it performs the same in all games -- and whether NVidia can team up with its usual dev partners to somewhat cripple Freesync at the game level.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 12:08 pm to ILikeLSUToo
pg 1000. in. need to upgrade my shite.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 12:20 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Remember that Freesync is all AMD, and it's simply a software
This is not always Their strong suit either
They will eventually get it right I would assume but they usually take a while.Posted on 1/5/15 at 12:57 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Oh Nvidia will hold out for awhile, like HD DVD vs BluRay. But it's inevitable, period.
Just nothing you can do when it's basically free versus not free for manufacturers. Another reason so many new monitors and the major brands are at CES unveiling their new FreeSync monitors.
Hopefully that means good prices too, AMD already said they'd be $100 cheaper in comparison to Gsync equivalent.
Just nothing you can do when it's basically free versus not free for manufacturers. Another reason so many new monitors and the major brands are at CES unveiling their new FreeSync monitors.
Hopefully that means good prices too, AMD already said they'd be $100 cheaper in comparison to Gsync equivalent.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:02 pm to UltimateHog
Is anyone doing a 1440p monitor with 60 refresh rate? That's what I would probably go for.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:06 pm to Mr Gardoki
No, not at this time at least.
The 1080p panels are 75 and up, while both 4K offerings are from Samsung and 60. BenQ has the only 1440 at CES and it's 144.
The 1080p panels are 75 and up, while both 4K offerings are from Samsung and 60. BenQ has the only 1440 at CES and it's 144.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:13 pm to Mr Gardoki
No 60Hz 1440p gsync monitors if that's what you're asking (I assume so because you're an NVidia user...unless you are considering switching back to AMD)
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:14 pm to UltimateHog
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Just nothing you can do when it's basically free versus not free for manufacturers.
As long as the execution is on point. That is AMD's primary weakness. If Gsync's implementation proves technically superior immediately upon Freesync hitting the market, media will have a field day and Freesync will still be somewhat associated with the typical AMD stigma even when it's perfected down the line. Price won't be a factor anymore -- AMD has always had better value hardware than Nvidia, but NVidia still dominates the PC gaming graphics market share. AMD always stumbles out of the gate when everyone's watching, and fewer people stick around to see them get back in stride. Just like I had to see gsync in person, I need to see freesync in person as well. The concept is different, and therefore the real-world result could very well be different.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:18 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I may switch when the time comes. All of this is out of my price range right now anyway. I need a new tv first.
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