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re: Is Net Nutrality about to be gone?

Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125418 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:41 pm to
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If you support net neutrality, you are just buying the lies that massive technology companies like Google are perpetuating on the internet. General consumers think that the ISPs are the real problem, when in fact it's the people who control the information on the internet. Are you really going to side with a company that censors its search results.


Yep another person who has no idea what they are talking about.

ISPs want to control the flow of traffic thus controlling the information on the web. If said ISP supports a certain political party, well you know the rest.
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:30 pm to
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ISPs want to control the flow of traffic thus controlling the information on the web.


I'm not sure how you can say this. Do they want to control the flow of traffic? I'm sure, they could definitely manipulate the flow of traffic for financial gain. I don't think ISP's care about the actual information you are accessing on the internet.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
57928 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:53 pm to
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I don't think ISP's care about the actual information you are accessing on the internet.
How did civilization get this stupid?
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:56 pm to
Do you really think comcast/verizon/etc care more about the information you are accessing than the bottom line?

Also keep in mind that there is no evidence at all of any ISP's censoring information prior to the passing of NN.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108567 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:01 pm to
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Do you really think comcast/verizon/etc care more about the information you are accessing than the bottom line?


Have you been keeping up with politics lately? The media companies are losing their minds in realization that they’ve lost control of the narrative.
Posted by landhawg
Member since Feb 2012
587 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:04 pm to
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Restoring Internet Freedom

The FCC has proposed to return the U.S. to the bipartisan, light-touch regulatory framework under which a free and open Internet flourished for almost 20 years. The FCC's May 2017 proposal to roll back the prior Administration's heavy-handed Internet regulation strives to advance the FCC's critical work to promote broadband deployment in rural America and infrastructure investment throughout the nation, to brighten the future of innovation both within networks and at their edge, and to close the digital divide.

From passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 until 2015, the Internet underwent rapid, and unprecedented, growth. Internet service providers (ISPs) invested approximately $1.5 trillion in building networks, and American consumers enthusiastically responded. The Internet became an ever-increasing part of the American economy, offering new and innovative changes in how we work, learn, and play, receive health care, create and enjoy entertainment, and communicate with one another. During that time, there was bipartisan agreement that the Internet should be free of burdensome regulation so that it could continue to flourish.

Two years ago, the FCC abruptly changed course. On a party-line vote, the FCC applied 1930s-era utility-style regulation ("Title II") to the Internet. That decision appears to have put at risk online investment and innovation, threatening the very open Internet it purported to preserve. Requiring ISPs to divert resources to comply with unnecessary and broad new regulatory requirements threatens to take away from their ability to make investments that benefit consumers. The lack of clarity around what Title II requires ISPs to do further appears to harm investment and have particularly harmful effects on small ISPs.

Under Chairman Pai's leadership, the FCC has proposed returning to the longstanding light-touch regulatory framework for the Internet and restoring the market-based policies necessary to preserve the future of Internet Freedom. Specifically, the FCC has proposed to:

Reinstate the "information service" classification of broadband Internet access service first established on a bipartisan basis during the Clinton Administration.
Restore the determination that mobile broadband is not a "commercial mobile service" subject to heavy-handed regulation.
Restore the authority of the nation's most experienced cop on the privacy beat – the Federal Trade Commission – to police the privacy practices of ISPs.
The FCC also is exploring how best to honor its longstanding commitment to Internet Freedom. Starting in 2004, the FCC promoted four principles for Internet Freedom to ensure that the Internet would remain a place for free and open innovation with minimal regulation. These four "Internet Freedoms" include the freedom to access lawful content, the freedom to use applications, the freedom to attach personal devices to the network, and the freedom to obtain service plan information.

To restore Internet Freedom, the FCC has proposed to examine the utility-style Title II rules to determine whether regulatory intervention in the market is necessary. The FCC has asked for comment on whether to keep, modify, or eliminate these "bright-line rules" adopted in 2015. And the FCC specifically has proposed to eliminate the vague "general Internet conduct standard," which gives the FCC far-reaching discretion to prohibit any ISP practice that it believes runs afoul of a long and incomplete list of factors. The FCC also proposed to conduct a cost-benefit analysis as a part of its analysis.

By exploring ways to reduce needless red tape, the Commission hopes that these proposals will spur broadband deployment throughout the country, bringing better, faster Internet service to more Americans and boosting competition and choice in the broadband marketplace.

The FCC is in the midst of a comment period on its proposals and encourages public participation. Comments are due by July 17, 2017, and reply comments are due by August 16, 2017. Comments may be filed via the FCC's Electronic Comment Filing System in WC Docket No. 17-108.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:25 pm to
My ISP is Charter Spectrum. I very seriously doubt Spectrum cares whether or not I am reading a conservative blog. I do however think Spectrum wants to find a way to make lot more money off the bandwidth I'm using when I stream Netflix.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27877 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:30 pm to
Or charter starts their own streaming service and makes watching Netflix impossible unless you want to pay significantly more.

Or charter, faced with who knows what outside pressures, decides that the blog you’re reading isn’t good for whatever reason, and decides that you’ll need to pay extra if you want to keep reading it.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108567 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:39 pm to
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My ISP is Charter Spectrum. I very seriously doubt Spectrum cares whether or not I am reading a conservative blog. I do however think Spectrum wants to find a way to make lot more money off the bandwidth I'm using when I stream Netflix.


Ok, what is Spectrum the subsidiary of? Time Warner. What else does Time Warner own? CNN. Why couldn’t they slow the speeds of Fox News and Drudge if they could? What about Comcast and MSNBC. You don’t think they’ll do some variation of it?

They actually won’t do it to other members of the Big Six since they are all in agreement to frick over you the consumer and divide it among themselves. They will frick over anyone or any company that hasn’t either paid its dues to the Big Six or isn’t a direct member of them.

The WSJ (which News Corp owns) wrote a bullshite hit piece on PewDiePie in order to neuter the revenue content creators made on YouTube so they can silence them. Despite being a total load of shite, there hasn’t been one person working for the Big Six that has refuted the piece that PewDiePie is a Nazi (which is ridiculous). This is proof among hundreds of others that they’re wishing to control the message and silence anyone who isn’t going along for the ride.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:42 pm to
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Or charter starts their own streaming service and makes watching Netflix impossible unless you want to pay significantly more.


The free market exists to address issues like this.

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Or charter, faced with who knows what outside pressures, decides that the blog you’re reading isn’t good for whatever reason, and decides that you’ll need to pay extra if you want to keep reading it.


This is a problem that has never existed before. NN is a solution without a problem. Further, if ISP's got into the business of censoring what consumers could view on the internet then I'm sure at that point the FCC could step in with regulations. I'm not sure why we need regulations to fix a problem that does not yet exist.

And if we are going to run with conspiracies and hypotheticals then it seems like it should concern you that the government is getting involved in regulating the internet. I'm not sure why everyone is only worried about ISP's censoring content while we not apparently implicitly trust that the government would never do this.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108567 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:49 pm to
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The free market exists to address issues like this.



Not in this space:



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And if we are going to run with conspiracies and hypotheticals then it seems like it should concern you that the government is getting involved in regulating the internet.


But these conspiracies and hypotheticals are actually happening. We’ve shown you Portugal’s internet, so that could easily happen if all the providers agree to it.

The Big Six try to shut down outsiders at all cost, so what the frick do you think they’re going to do to them once they have 100% control over distribution of that message? No need for hit pieces anymore, they just flip a switch and extort some people or companies, and if they do not comply, then they are fricked.

This is like choosing between a stoner and a crocodile to babysit your kid. Sure the stoner could frick up enough for your kid to die, but the croc will eat him for certain.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 5:50 pm
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:56 pm to
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The Big Six try to shut down outsiders at all cost, so what the frick do you think they’re going to do to them once they have 100% control over distribution of that message?


Oh I don't know, maybe exactly what they were doing 2.5 years ago before NN was enacted. I just don't understand these apocalyptic views of what is going to happen the day after NN is overturned.

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We’ve shown you Portugal’s internet, so that could easily happen if all the providers agree to it.


It's just silly to post a screenshot from ONE ISP in Portugal and act like that is the entirety of all options to access internet in Portugal. It isn't true, it's just something you saw on reddit. Sure, there are plans to offer data to particular sites, there are also many other options whereby consumers have access to the larger internet.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18296 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:46 pm to
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Or charter, faced with who knows what outside pressures, decides that the blog you’re reading isn’t good for whatever reason, and decides that you’ll need to pay extra if you want to keep reading it.


here's a good one:

Charter, a more left leaning organization - doesn't like places like Drudge or Fox or Tigerdroppings, and puts them in a +$40 a month tier, while Reddit, a more liberal leaning website comes with the standard subscription.

ETA: In my area I am stuck with this, and just stop being to TD.com, because I have no other options for ISP

Also - big note: This is all speculatory, and none of this could happen in practice. Though I feel ISPs looking for more money revenues very soon - as we as consumers are bleeding them in the millions for not renewing our cable TV subscriptions.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 6:48 pm
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18296 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:50 pm to
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Oh I don't know, maybe exactly what they were doing 2.5 years ago before NN was enacted.


2.5 Years ago ISPs had 4.8% more subscribers than they currently have.

At the current rate it is decreasing I expect it to multiply into an never ending cycle... This money MUST be made up some way - enter the removal of NN.

Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:52 pm to
Heaven forbid I ever have access to google fiber, I will be done with cable providers for good.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43341 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:52 pm to
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Ok, what is Spectrum the subsidiary of? Time Warner. What else does Time Warner own? CNN. Why couldn’t they slow the speeds of Fox News and Drudge if they could? What about Comcast and MSNBC. You don’t think they’ll do some variation of it?


Cmon man. At least get your information correct.

Spectrum is not a subsidiary of Time Warner. Time Warner Cable, a completely separate company from the Time Warner content holdings, merged with Charter to form Spectrum. Charter being the primary company that absorbed TWC.

CNN is not owned by the company previously known as TWC.

shite like this is why I don't take your rants seriously.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18296 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:53 pm to
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Heaven forbid I ever have access to google fiber, I will be done with cable providers for good.


good luck with that, google is leaving the business already
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:55 pm to
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good luck with that, google is leaving the business already

Correct.

Plus right now we don't need that much bandwidth. Rather cheaper prices for 400MBps service with fiber straight to home with lowered latency.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43341 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:58 pm to
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Net neutrality: who do you trust more? Comcast, AT&T, Charter, Verizon, OR Netflix, Fox, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple?

That's really it, everything else is speculation




This man gets it.

Posted by Blitzed
Member since Oct 2009
21312 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 6:58 pm to
How does this effect my Eatel fiber?
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