re: Is Net Nutrality about to be gone?

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Have you been keeping up with politics lately? The media companies are losing their minds in realization that they’ve lost control of the narrative.

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Not all the ISPs have media holdings. You might have some argument with the AT&Ts out there, but not Verizon or Spectrum.

Which is why I'm ok with forcing ISPs to divest their media holdings. Takes the conflict of interest out of the picture.

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But the more interesting question is why.

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because, currently it is really really goddamn expensive to run fiber at all. This has nothing to do with government oversight, this has nothing to do with regulations. It's just really really fricking expensive, BEFORE you factor in anything else.

Currently I can actually get dsl AT&T in my area - but I'm not going to fricking pay for that shite when I can get 100MBPS from Spectrum... AT&T could build out my way - but they won't because of the cost, so I'm stuck with Spectrum.

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I don't have a choice with this group, I live in rural Alabama where my ONLY choice is Charter.

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You say this...then say this...

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I have already made my choice on cellphone and opted to pay T-Mobile and Google through Project Fi... but if I didn't do that, my only choice in rural Alabama is Verizon as well.

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So what you're really saying is you have three choices for an ISP. Charter, TMobile, and Verizon.

You just don't like the fact two of those options don't give you the speeds you want.

I don't have gig fiber where I live. I don't like that fact. Doesn't mean I have no ISP choice where I live.

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So what you're really saying is you have three choices for an ISP.

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I have 2:

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Charter, TMobile, and Verizon.

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T-Mobile doesn't come out here - I'm on Project Fi, I use WiFi Calling, also:

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Verizon

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Only has EVDO to my house, which is like 100KBPS, not even enough to watch a Youtube video on 420p, or stream any music what so ever

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But wait...I thought your only choice was Charter? Now you're saying you also have AT&T DSL on top of TMobile and Verizon?

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it's not the more modern DSL (the one from 10 years ago) - it's the 15 (my bad, it's actually 20 years old, just called the AT&T rep for the area) year old system which runs at about 0.5MBPS, once again... not even enough to stream music, much less videos.

ETfrickingA: Other than Spectrum, none of these goddamn other choices would even load TD.. TD is a text based website, and those speeds are 20 years fricking old.

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Gotta love all these Poliboard russian shills invading a forum they never come to.

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Go read my posts on the PoliBoard. I'm not a trumpkin.

I just understand regulatory overreach and regulations that do nothing to address the actual problem.

Title II fits both these bills. NN is a part of this.

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Will we actually see a resurgence of ISPs and more competition now that the "girders" are off and the government isn't breathing down the neck of the ISPs? More than likely not

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Well of course not. The competition issue revolves around state and local government legislation.

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it's much more likely that we end up with 3-4 companies nation wide who can do whatever they want.

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If you fix the local government legislated anti-competitive measures even 3-4 ISPs is still a competitive market. Now if they collude to limit speeds or access, that becomes an anti-trust collusion issue. Which we already have laws to address.

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Who is doing this?

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Where were you when Verizon was throttling connections to only Netflix because of contract negotiations? Get ready for that on steroids.

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Where were you when Verizon was throttling connections to only Netflix because of contract negotiations? Get ready for that on steroids.

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Here you go

From the article:

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For the last several months, Comcast Internet customers have complained about a drop in quality of the Netflix streams being delivered to their homes, and Netflix’s own data showed a massive decline in connection speeds starting in October. But today, the two companies announced they have reached a “mutually beneficial” agreement that will hopefully turn that trend around. Much like Netflix’s ongoing standoff with Verizon FiOS, the drop in speeds wasn’t an issue of the ISP throttling or blocking service to Netflix. Rather, the ISPs were allowing for Netflix traffic to bottleneck at what’s known as “peering ports,” the connection between Netflix’s bandwidth provider and the ISPs. Until recently, if peering ports became congested with downstream traffic, it was common practice for an ISP to temporarily open up new ports to maintain the flow of data. This was not a business arrangement; just something that had been done as a courtesy. ISPs would expect the bandwidth companies to do the same if there was a spike in upstream traffic. However, there is virtually no upstream traffic with Netflix, so the Comcasts and Verizons of the world claimed they were being taken advantage of

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ETA: Pay attention to the part underlined.

You people really need to get a basic understanding on how the internet works and stop parroting Reddit talking points.

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You missed my whole point though - we don't live in a world that needs speeds from 1996, we live in a world that needs speeds from 2017.

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Those aren't needs. Those are wants.

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We have Netflix, we have Youtube, we have Apple Music, etc. etc.

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Wants, not needs.