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re: Finally starting Elden Ring: The beginning of the end of a journey

Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:32 pm to
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:32 pm to
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That first black knight is down a staircase, down a hallway, with his back to you, guarding a shiny. Very, very different from Margit, who the game not only tells you (albeit not by name) to go to but weaves a golden thread through the air pointing directly to him.


That’s great, but what you are saying does not apply to my play.

The game tells you the direct path for the story, so what? Use the map and explore
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:05 pm to
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That’s great, but what you are saying does not apply to my play. The game tells you the direct path for the story, so what? Use the map and explore

Go back and read my previous post again. I get what I’m supposed to do; I’ve already killed Margit and Godrick, along with about another dozen bosses/minibosses/whatever they are in this game. Hell, I stumbled onto the underground Siofra River area and ran it all the way until I popped out in fricking Caelid and then stormed Redmane Castle, because fricking yolo.

My issue is that “you’re supposed to ignore what we’re telling you to do and go do other things first” wasn’t intuitive, at all. And that goes doubly so for a FromSoft game. Again, I’m enjoying the game. It’s not the end of the world, but I consider it to be a valid criticism of the game’s design.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:56 am to
I’ve more or less enjoyed all of the bosses I’ve fought thus far, up until Fallingstar Beast. The crazy high resistance and HP combined with a bit of a bullshite moveset combined with by far the longest run back I’ve had so far was… a choice
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:16 am to
I have to get back on this game. I beat the Fire Giant a few months ago and haven’t played it since.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:25 am to
Beast down. Still think it was a bit of a garbage fight
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45006 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:40 am to
I skipped that one. Loved the zone, though
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:11 am to
I really liked the zone other than those counts who shoot the volleys of homing darts. They sucked as well
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78750 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 1:16 am to
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That was my problem. I do not have the time to figure games like that out anymore. I love a challenge but life has changed for me


One of the reasons I may eventually play Elden ring is I’ve read you can kind of cheese or play “easy mode” using more magic and fighting from a distance. But I haven’t looked much into it.

Here is how AI describes it.

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"Elden Ring" does not have a built-in "easy mode" in the game itself, but players can effectively create an easier experience by utilizing strategies like summoning spirit ashes to assist in combat, using magic builds, and strategically choosing classes that might be more beginner-friendly


Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36194 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 9:38 am to
Too many other games for me to tool around with
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
13031 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:17 am to
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I’ve read you can kind of cheese or play “easy mode”


The vast majority of the bosses can be cheesed. Using spirit summons is also immensely helpful. Worst case scenario, you can summon another player to help if you're stuck.

Honestly, the difficulty of Souls games is really overblown. Even in Sekiro, which may be the hardest "Souls" game, you can cheese a lot of the bosses.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:43 am to
There are multiple Dark Souls 1 bosses that will (usually, depending on RNG) die to summons even if the player does nothing.

Though there are a few that make the fight significantly harder, so it’s a mixed bag
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
13031 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:32 am to
I'm not sure if I've ever actually fought Iron Golem on an NG run. I let Black Iron Tarkus solo him every time
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:58 pm to
Haha yep, that’s one. And if you summon both Solaire and Lautrec, they will absolutely gangbang the gargoyles.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18577 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:41 pm to
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Even in Sekiro


The last From game I had played before Elden Ring was Sekiro... it was one of those "you got an OT10 so here is your brand new OT6" moment. It kinda stung if I'm being honest.

Still loved Elden Ring though
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
33123 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:30 am to
I bought Dark Souls 2 for my PC, and was annoyed when I found out it was a direct port from console - in that even the tutorial kept referencing buttons on a game controller instead of a keyboard.

Honestly, after that, I never bothered trying again. I felt if a company wasn't dedicated enough to adjust the game to reflect a different system, where else would i find failings?

Also, watching the videos on people fighting the bosses definitely had me thinking there were other games out there that could still challenge my tactically but had a deeper narrative.
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4599 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:30 am to
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Honestly, the difficulty of Souls games is really overblown.
I don't want to start ranting, but this is completely true. The games have unintuitive mechanics that seem hard, but are not. They're actually quite easy compared to a lot of alternative genres on high difficulties. The community just acts like it's incredibly difficult and does a terrible job of explaining it, which is also the dev's fault at the same time.

The gameplay depth can be summarized as mile wide, inch deep. The deep part is all that matters for the challenge honestly. It really boils down to dodge, R1.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29859 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 1:21 pm to
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I don't want to start ranting, but this is completely true. The games have unintuitive mechanics that seem hard, but are not. They're actually quite easy compared to a lot of alternative genres on high difficulties. The community just acts like it's incredibly difficult and does a terrible job of explaining it, which is also the dev's fault at the same time.

The gameplay depth can be summarized as mile wide, inch deep. The deep part is all that matters for the challenge honestly. It really boils down to dodge, R1.

Most of the difficulty comes from people "playing the game wrong", and I don't mean that in any demeaning or pejorative way: the games almost intentionally set you up to fail. If I know someone is getting into a Souls game for the first time, the primary thing I try to impart on them is that souls don't really matter. And I don't mean that in any hardass SL1 way. I mean that first time players stress themselves sick over reclaiming their bloodstain when they die, when the reality is that if you just immediately sit after each boss to spend their souls, you could not get a single soul from any other enemy in the entire game and you'd be just fine. Slow down, take your time. Understand that learning to dodge is more important than learning to attack. Slow down more.

And once you learn the area, feel free to just jog past all of the enemies. The number of enemies that are actually mandatory are staggeringly low. At this point, I think I kill two to three enemies in the entirety of Anor Londo: the first painting guardian that drops by the ladder when you enter the church, the archer knight on the exposed run, and the basement mimic if I care about getting the occult club to downgrade to +5 holy.
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