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Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:36 am to bluebarracuda
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It's a post on Twitter, I couldn't give two fricks about it, and wouldn't have seen it at all if it hadn't been posted here. This is purely political related and not gaming
you should take the advice the Left always throws out….just ignore it, unsubscribe, unfollow, change the channel, stop watching tv, stop playing video games, etc. Or in this case, log out if you don’t like the thread.
a couple of examples:
BLM nonsense plastered everywhere
CRT in education
LBTQXYZ+ in children’s cartoons
Drag competitions at children’s libraries
Conservatives and normal people: Why is this happening?
Lefties: just ignore it, biggot.
I bet if we did some digging back to Spring 2020, we might just find a post by you in Gaming Board threads telling us to just “ignore it”.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:15 am to Cs
Stunning and brave. Sonys studios have a distinct soy problem. Too much California, not enough Japan.
I’m still laughing at guerilla games crying about getting BTFO’d by Elden Ring.
I’m still laughing at guerilla games crying about getting BTFO’d by Elden Ring.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:47 am to CornDogCologne
This seems relevant to this thread’s interests:
LINK
Judd seems like a tool that thinks this is a negative thing, but I’m guessing Bungie doesn’t use this PR firm
quote:
Judd Legum @JuddLegum BREAKING: A massive PR firm that represents high-profile corporations like @CocaCola, @Netflix, & @Starbucks is privately advising its clients to avoid commenting on abortion rights, according to an internal email obtained by LINK
LINK
Judd seems like a tool that thinks this is a negative thing, but I’m guessing Bungie doesn’t use this PR firm
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:44 am to Cs
Hmm bungee likes killing babies? Guess I won’t be buying their games in the future.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 11:23 am to Cs
Thanks for sharing this. Now I know to never give another dime to bungie.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 8:20 am to flyAU
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All they have to do is let their employees know that they stand behind them but its policy not to comment on political matters that don't involve their industry.
ESG scores (aka corporate social credit score)
They have to comment to keep their score high to allow them to bank with better ratings
Posted on 5/9/22 at 8:34 pm to Bonkers119
quote:I would bet that you’re full of shite and making up numbers.
I would bet that 95% of video game developers and their employees feel the way they do in these tweets.
You aren’t getting 95% of employees from any decent sized company to agree on anything that doesn’t involve across the board raises and more paid holidays. You just have one side afraid to speak up and express their opinions out of fear of retribution
Posted on 5/9/22 at 8:59 pm to Tiger Prawn
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I would bet that you’re full of shite and making up numbers.
You aren’t getting 95% of employees from any decent sized company to agree on anything that doesn’t involve across the board raises and more paid holidays. You just have one side afraid to speak up and express their opinions out of fear of retribution
I doubt it's 95%, but I doubt it's super far off. Depending on the poll, only about 12% of American adults (of all age groups combined) believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. Game devs and employees are likely to skew young. I would imagine the percentage who believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances is hard single digits.
When you combined that with the reality that Roe/Casey only stands for the proposition that abortion can't be regulated before viability, I would be genuinely shocked that more than 10% of those in the gaming industry would be in favor of said overturning.
In fact, to be thorough, I just looked up public opinion polling on the general adult population regarding the overturning of Roe, and only 27% total is in favor. Again, if you skew young, I imagine we are closer to 10% in the gaming industry. 15% max.
Sauce: PollingReport
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:26 am to Joshjrn
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I doubt it's 95%, but I doubt it's super far off. Depending on the poll, only about 12% of American adults (of all age groups combined) believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances
This is how you manipulate polls. I'm sure the reason this exists this way is because not many would want to ban abortions in cases where the health of the mother is at stake or for rape/incest (even though both of these situations are so rare that they are probably statistically insignificant). The question is worded that way on purpose.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:16 am to JasonMason
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This is how you manipulate polls. I'm sure the reason this exists this way is because not many would want to ban abortions in cases where the health of the mother is at stake or for rape/incest (even though both of these situations are so rare that they are probably statistically insignificant). The question is worded that way on purpose.
No.
If you go to the link, you can see how the questions are actually worded. This was the question asked:
quote:
"Which of the following statements best describes your view on abortion? Abortion should always be legal. Abortion should be legal most of the time. Abortion should be illegal except under certain circumstances, such as rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Abortion should always be illegal."
You then have the results for each answer.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:32 am to Joshjrn
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This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 11:32 am to Joshjrn
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In fact, to be thorough, I just looked up public opinion polling on the general adult population regarding the overturning of Roe, and only 27% total is in favor. Again, if you skew young, I imagine we are closer to 10% in the gaming industry. 15% max.
Even if we ignore the fact that your own argument is clearly not 95% (not even close), all this proves is that most of those polled individuals are idiots. In the very next question, and the only other question about abortion in the poll you're referencing, the question was:
quote:
"Which of the following statements best describes your view on abortion? Abortion should always be legal. Abortion should be legal most of the time. Abortion should be illegal except under certain circumstances, such as rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Abortion should always be illegal."
To which 43% said "illegal most of the time" and 11% "always illegal." That doesn't really fit with only 27% wanting to overturn Roe v Wade, and also doesn't fit with the opinion that 95% of employees of ANY company would agree with a stance that abortion is a fundamental right. All overturning Roe v Wade does is allows states to make their own laws surrounding abortion and removes the federal government from the equation.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:06 pm to imjustafatkid
I never argued 95%. I said 85-90% (100 minus the 10-15% I said. Math). And if the total population is 27% for overturning Roe, and the gaming industry skews heavily young, which in turn skews heavily socially liberal, I think saying that a ballpark figure of 10-15% of gaming industry people being in favor of overturning Roe is likely close to accurate.
As for the second portion, you would be correct if the questions more closely mirrored the holding in Roe/Casey, which they don’t. Further, I imagine that there would be a split amongst your “illegal in most circumstances” crowd if you asked them “ok, so your first preference aside, if you had to choose between legal in most circumstances or illegal in all circumstances, which would you choose?” Considering the immediate rush of filed legislation in roughly half of the states in the country to fully ban and even criminalize abortion in those states, I could absolutely see a chunk of that camp saying that would rather stick with Roe than allow states to do whatever they want and risk full criminalization.
None of that is to say that I’m certain; I simply believe that, based on available polling data and based on known variables like applicable demographics, I think it’s reasonable to believe that the overwhelming majority of the people in the gaming industry would like to see Roe/Casey stand, likely pushing 85-90%. But I could of course be incorrect in that.
As for the second portion, you would be correct if the questions more closely mirrored the holding in Roe/Casey, which they don’t. Further, I imagine that there would be a split amongst your “illegal in most circumstances” crowd if you asked them “ok, so your first preference aside, if you had to choose between legal in most circumstances or illegal in all circumstances, which would you choose?” Considering the immediate rush of filed legislation in roughly half of the states in the country to fully ban and even criminalize abortion in those states, I could absolutely see a chunk of that camp saying that would rather stick with Roe than allow states to do whatever they want and risk full criminalization.
None of that is to say that I’m certain; I simply believe that, based on available polling data and based on known variables like applicable demographics, I think it’s reasonable to believe that the overwhelming majority of the people in the gaming industry would like to see Roe/Casey stand, likely pushing 85-90%. But I could of course be incorrect in that.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:48 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Total polled population. No one asked me.
And if the total population is 27% for overturning Roe
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:11 pm to Drewbie
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Total polled population
Not necessarily, actually.
quote:
No one asked me.
Yes, that’s how polls work.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:13 pm to Joshjrn
Gee I wonder which way you lean. Can't tell with how you frame the question and present slanted data.
Unhappy people are the loudest. Of course they're all over the polls. Cracks me up every time people use internet polls to try to make some claim as if a handful of people on the internet is an accurate depiction of society at large. Nevermind when that poll is nowhere near 90-10 and you still somehow manage to word salad your way into creating a discrepancy that isn't there.
Explain the polls where they go around calling people.
You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
Unhappy people are the loudest. Of course they're all over the polls. Cracks me up every time people use internet polls to try to make some claim as if a handful of people on the internet is an accurate depiction of society at large. Nevermind when that poll is nowhere near 90-10 and you still somehow manage to word salad your way into creating a discrepancy that isn't there.
quote:
Yes, that’s how polls work.
Explain the polls where they go around calling people.
You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:26 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Total polled population
Not necessarily, actually.
He quite literally quoted your own words.
You are disagreeing with verbiage THAT YOU USED.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:30 pm to pankReb
quote:Also learned that cold-call polls don't exist.
He quite literally quoted your own words.
You are disagreeing with verbiage THAT YOU USED.
His actual words were even worse. He just said "total population" to present it as an even greater sample size than it actually is, then when corrected to a more realistic description, he chose to disagree.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:42 pm to Drewbie
I disagreed because saying that’s the percentage of the polled population isn’t necessarily accurate, as the results are potentially weighted in order to attempt to more accurately reflect the actual population. That’s why I used the language that I did.
But the two of you figure out what, exactly, you’d like to accuse me of so I can respond. Considering that as of now it’s a self contradictory mess.
Actually, scratch that. I gave every reasonable caveat regarding what I was relying on as the basis for my opinion. If you want to have an argument about percentages of public opinion yet your starting position is that public opinion polls coming from reputable polling companies should be ignored, and we should instead focus on truthiness, we are just going to talk past one another. But feel free to take whatever parting shot at me you’d like.
But the two of you figure out what, exactly, you’d like to accuse me of so I can respond. Considering that as of now it’s a self contradictory mess.
Actually, scratch that. I gave every reasonable caveat regarding what I was relying on as the basis for my opinion. If you want to have an argument about percentages of public opinion yet your starting position is that public opinion polls coming from reputable polling companies should be ignored, and we should instead focus on truthiness, we are just going to talk past one another. But feel free to take whatever parting shot at me you’d like.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 1:43 pm
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