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re: Underbelly - Houston is the new American Creole city of the South

Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:19 pm to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:19 pm to
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Why is it we've never heard of the Creoles of Texas before? How is it that it's just now being mentioned?


Well they do say "New Creole," so I'd guess that's why you haven't heard of it before.

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a menu that is ALL over the freaking map...it lacks direction


Come on now. That's the pot calling the kettle black. Creole food is also over the map as well. It's a little French, Spanish, African, Native American, Italian, and Lord knows what else.

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Let me tell you what happens with words, and meanings. They get polluted, and before long you don't even know the original mearning behind it.


It seems like you want creole to stop at this one certain definition and not allow it to mean other things or morph into new interpretations.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:32 pm to
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Well they do say "New Creole," so I'd guess that's why you haven't heard of it before.


A made up name without any substance but what you want to attribute to it.

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Come on now. That's the pot calling the kettle black. Creole food is also over the map as well. It's a little French, Spanish, African, Native American, Italian, and Lord knows what else.


No, it's not all over the map, and not everything in NOLA is Creole food, as they serve burgers in Laffy and that doesn't make it Cajun food.

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It seems like you want creole to stop at this one certain definition and not allow it to mean other things or morph into new interpretations.



Because its the Truth, and because it's my culture, and has been my family's linage since France controlled Louisiana and prior.

This is a very special and unique part of the country, and one with a very rich heritage that has made New Orleans cuisine what it is, and most all of it derived from the French in technique especially and in flavor. Houston Texas has nothing in the line of food to fall back upon, and I see this as a bastardization of the word Creole to attain it, and to make sense of a menu that simple does not make sense.

How about we start calling Baton Rouge food New Eskimo cuisine? Maybe we can serve sushi, hamburgers, and chicken and waffles and explain it as our New Eskimo cuisine? Make any sense? Heck, why not. Words apparently don't mean much anymore as we just put the square peg in the round hole and hit it with a hammer until it fits.

Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:37 pm to
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1. a person born in the West Indies or Spanish America but of European, usually Spanish, ancestry.

Criollo. Correct.
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2. a person born in Louisiana but of usually French ancestry.

Créole = Criollo

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3. ( sometimes lowercase ) a person of mixed black and European, especially French or Spanish, ancestry who speaks a creolized form of French or Spanish.

Nope. Mestizo-a. Their language could be called Criollo (lengua criolla), however.

This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 6:41 pm
Posted by andouille
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:42 pm to


Yes, Houston is the new Creole City, and since IBM is coming, BR is the new Silicon Valley.

I see millions making a pilgrimage to Houston for tasty Creole treats.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Go blow yourself Cowtown.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 7:01 pm to
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not everything in NOLA is Creole food, as they serve burgers in Laffy and that doesn't make it Cajun food


I'm not an idiot and never said or implied any such thing. What I was trying to say, and maybe didn't word it correctly, is that Louisiana creole food is hodge podge of all those cultures. You know this, so I'm not sure why you couldn't figure out what I was trying to say.

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make sense of a menu that simple does not make sense


I can't say for fact as I wasn't alive, but I'd imagine that's how a lot of the Americans felt when then moved here after the LA purchase and looked at what kind of food was being served.

Look, I'm not trying to take anything away from this culture that you so love and is in your blood. I feel you're taking this restaurant's usage of creole as being dismissive of your heritage. It's not. They're not saying "We're taking Louisiana Creole and making it ours and making it better." They're simply defining, and in my opinion correctly, their food as creole - though for the love of God, not Louisiana Creole.

I don't know know how more clear I can be. They are not claiming Louisiana Creole. They are trying to define a new creole. One that is young and still trying to find its way.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 7:08 pm to
I'm done. Texans are now Creoles. I'm now a Mexican who eats Mexican sushi. Tomorrow I may be a Martian eating New Creole Borscht, but for today, I'm a Mexican eating Mexican Sushi.




Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 7:18 pm to
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I'm done


Boo. Come on, Mike. Surely we can find some way to keep this going. I lack minor conflict in my life and that satiated my temporary need.

And you joke about that Mexican sushi, but that shite looks delicious.
Posted by xXLSUXx
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 7:18 pm to



I guess that Scottish/Asian kid from the Starburst commercials was Creole. Now I know.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 8:03 pm to
I thought this was a thread about Superdome school bus evacuees.

I see a menu that I would try and enjoy from top to bottom and I'm sure it's a great place and bookmarked.

But I'm with VOR. A marketing ploy plain and simple. Why can't it just be an original? It should try to be a trendsetter rather than trying to play what it clearly isn't.

If I put tomatos in jambalaya why can't I just call it tomato rice and sell it instead of saying its jambalaya when clearly it isn't?

Posted by VOR
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 8:38 pm to
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A marketing ploy plain and simple. Why can't it just be an original? It should try to be a trendsetter rather than trying to play what it clearly isn't.



Exactly.
Posted by T450
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:56 pm to
This thread got me thinking, there's a joint in Las Vegas calling themselves Paris. I hear there are neither Frenchmen nor Cajuns at said establishment.
Should we freak out? I eagerly await the boards response.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:07 pm to
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This thread got me thinking, there's a joint in Las Vegas calling themselves Paris. I hear there are neither Frenchmen nor Cajuns at said establishment.
Should we freak out? I eagerly await the boards response.


Only if they dont have fried wantons and whale blubber pâté on the menu should you freak out.

This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:08 pm to
I knew the FDB would not disappoint with this thread
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:14 pm to
I'm assuming that someone has called them out on the whole largest port thing...right?
Posted by joeleblanc
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:25 pm to
Houston has always had an image problem. They have tried for YEARS to somehow capture or link themselves to Cajun/Creole/Louisiana, thank god to no avail. They have tried to call themselves the Bayou City, various crawfish festivals, etc.
Houston Tejas is the New New Mexico.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:27 pm to
They can be as creole as they want as long as they keep the evacuees.
Posted by joeleblanc
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:35 pm to
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A marketing ploy plain and simple. Why can't it just be an original? It should try to be a trendsetter rather than trying to play what it clearly isn't.


+1
when did Korean become creole? lol.

Vietnam meatballs is creole?

Satay is creole or indian?..lets ask Raj...

from what I've read..the whole play is a lie...its not even the biggest or busiest port in the south, but then again, Houston isn't in the south..another lie! lol
Posted by T450
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:37 pm to
Hasn't Louisiana always had an image problem and isn't that part of what makes it such a unique place? There were the Innjuns, then the Spaniards, then the French, then Africans...so on and son on. Some English here, Haitians there, the occasional European or South American.
Louisiana doesn't have the market cornered on culture, this country is only 250 years old....lets not assume we've all arrived just yet.
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:44 pm to
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Hasn't Louisiana always had an image problem and isn't that part of what makes it such a unique place? There were the Innjuns, then the Spaniards, then the French, then Africans...so on and son on. Some English here, Haitians there, the occasional European or South American.
Louisiana doesn't have the market cornered on culture, this country is only 250 years old....lets not assume we've all arrived just yet.


Uh nooooo...no image problem here, except maybe BR. no need to get in a pissing match, but Korean, viet and satay are in NO way shape or form to be considered creole.
Posted by T450
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:15 pm to
Edge conditions man. At some point a bunch of feather not dot Indians has some serious red arse about all those denim dan canadians moving into their turf and eating their local foods.
Same things happening here, it's just a word, it's not any one groups own history or identity.
Be OK with a world class restaurant in Houston borrowing it for the time being...hell, shame on you for not being flattered.
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