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re: Underbelly - Houston is the new American Creole city of the South
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:25 pm to Trout Bandit
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:25 pm to Trout Bandit
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Houston is still trying to find an identity other than being shitty.
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Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:41 pm to MillerMan
After looking the menu over, there is absolutely nothing on there that is French Creole cuisine, nothing.
People just make shite up as they go along. This is a perfect example of it.
People just make shite up as they go along. This is a perfect example of it.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:55 pm to Mike da Tigah
I see no where on the menu they claim it to be French creole. They merely say "creole." One could make a pretty good argument that there is a large creole population in Houston. It's not creole in the SELA sense, but more like a creole that is comprised of Hispanic, American, and Asian parts.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:56 pm to Salmon
Skip Underbelly, go to Oxheart.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:57 pm to BottomlandBrew
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more like a creole that is comprised of Hispanic, American, and Asian parts.
A creole comprised of Hispanic, American, and Asian parts is not a creole. I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:58 pm to MillerMan
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MillerMan
I didn't say BR isn't shitty but H-town sucks and you apparently need to realize that. Find an identity other than being a city that needs 3 loops to go around it, that's actually hotter than here in summer.
This post was edited on 4/5/13 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:03 pm to ProjectP2294
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I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't
That's a ridiculous statement. In simplest terms, creole is simply an immigrant culture mixing with a native culture, be it offspring, food, music, language, whatever. There are creole cultures all over the world.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:09 pm to Trout Bandit
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Find an identity other than being a city that needs 3 loops to go around it that's actually hotter than here in summer.
This sentance doesn't even make sense. And yes, our only identity is our 3 loops, you got us.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:11 pm to BottomlandBrew
quote:where is this said?
In simplest terms, creole is simply an immigrant culture mixing with a native culture
Oxford dictionary:
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Definition of Creole
noun
1 a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean. a descendant of Spanish or other European settlers in the Caribbean or Central or South America. a white descendant of French settlers in Louisiana and other parts of the southern US.
2 a mother tongue formed from the contact of two languages through an earlier pidgin stage: a Portuguese-based Creole
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:20 pm to Mike da Tigah
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New Orleans = French Creole Cuisine Lafayette = Cajun
Close.
Cajun is the French expelled from Canada. They mixed with the Spanish who had already settled in the Lafayette area. French culture overwhelmed the Spanish. That's why I saw so many French speaking people growing up in the 50s with Spanish names like Rodrique and Dartez.
New Iberia means "New Spain." Spain + Portugal.
Creole is a term for New Orleans people who had a much bigger mix. In New Iberia, back in the 50s no one referred to themselves as Creole. We were Cajuns.
But they did identify the style of cooking which was different servings (creole) as opposed to one pot cooking (low country or Cajun).
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:25 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I see no where on the menu they claim it to be French creole. They merely say "creole." One could make a pretty good argument that there is a large creole population in Houston. It's not creole in the SELA sense, but more like a creole that is comprised of Hispanic, American, and Asian parts.
Creole, as in people just making it up as they go along to latch on to an identity.
The world Creole derives from the French, not Mexico, and Houston was never a French Colony.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:29 pm to Zach
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Creole is a term for New Orleans people who had a much bigger mix. In New Iberia, back in the 50s no one referred to themselves as Creole. We were Cajuns
Also close, but it's not just New Orleanians, but rather all people's who trace themselves back to the French control of Louisiana, which would also include Germans and Spanish who resided here before the French came to colonize and control Louisiana. The same goes for those in the Caribbean who were under French rule. They are also Creole.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:48 pm to Winkface
Richard Campanella, a geographer here in New Orleans at Tulane says, "The Creole identity is very fluid…there is no one right answer. The multitude of answers is the answer.”
could easily be
What is creole cuisine after all? It is a mix of European, African, and Native American cuisines.
There have been creole cultures in Alaska and Russia between Native Americans and Russians. There are creole cultures in Australia between Aborigines and Europeans. There are creole cultures in Africa that are made up of African, Asian, and European peoples. And yes, there are creole cultures here in the US, most notably the one we are all familiar with in SELA which is the mixing of European, African, and Native American.
So I go back to my first post where I said I had a problem with "The New Creole.." It should be "A New Creole..."
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a mother tongue formed from the contact of two languages through an earlier pidgin stage
could easily be
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a cuisine formed from the contact of two cuisines
What is creole cuisine after all? It is a mix of European, African, and Native American cuisines.
There have been creole cultures in Alaska and Russia between Native Americans and Russians. There are creole cultures in Australia between Aborigines and Europeans. There are creole cultures in Africa that are made up of African, Asian, and European peoples. And yes, there are creole cultures here in the US, most notably the one we are all familiar with in SELA which is the mixing of European, African, and Native American.
So I go back to my first post where I said I had a problem with "The New Creole.." It should be "A New Creole..."
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:58 pm to BottomlandBrew
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Richard Campanella, a geographer here in New Orleans at Tulane says, "The Creole identity is very fluid…there is no one right answer. The multitude of answers is the answer.”
I disagree. When you look to the original meaning of the word and where it came from, it was a term used by the French to identify people living under French rule in land controlled by France. It has taken legs since then, and people have so many wild understandings of the word today because of it, even confusing creole to mean mulatto. It's got nothing to do with race, and everything to do with tracing family back to French control of an area, be that Louisiana, the Caribbean, Africa, or even French Indo China (Vietnam) if you like.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 5:15 pm to Mike da Tigah
You are having a hard time separating the term French creole from creole.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 5:24 pm to BottomlandBrew
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You are having a hard time separating the term French creole from creole.
I wonder why that is?
Posted on 4/4/13 at 5:40 pm to Mike da Tigah
I'll take it on faith that Underbelly is a fine restaurant. I also have had some very good meals in Houston over the years. But this a bastardization of the term Creole.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 5:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I wonder why that is?
I'm not sure. I have presented my case of creole meaning more than just this French colonial concept you hear about in Louisiana. Up to you to do what you like with that info.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 5:49 pm to BottomlandBrew
It's a fricking marketing ploy. Nothing more .
Posted on 4/4/13 at 6:02 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I'm not sure. I have presented my case of creole meaning more than just this French colonial concept you hear about in Louisiana. Up to you to do what you like with that info.
You're hearing a people who need an identity to latch onto. Why is it we've never heard of the Creoles of Texas before? How is it that it's just now being mentioned?
Let me tell you what happens with words, and meanings. They get polluted, and before long you don't even know the original mearning behind it.
Houston Texas huh?
Hatian Creoles I've heard, as I have Louisiana Creoles, but Texas Creoles is brand spanking new. You know why? Because its bullshite, as is that made up name for a menu that is ALL over the freaking map. Korean food, Vietnamese food, Soul Food, one pot American food, etc. I'm not saying it's bad even. Looks somewhat interesting, it's just the reference to Creole that I'm saying is horeshit, and the menu illustrates how much it lacks direction.
And come to think of it, perhaps that explains the misuse of the word Creole, in an attempt to make sense of it being all over the place.
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 6:09 pm
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